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Australia / Re: Tasmania: White CUTHBERTSON, born 1837, Paisley, Scotland
« on: Friday 21 September 18 04:57 BST (UK)  »
Also not much help - but given his names, I was wondering if he may have started using WHITE as his surname. Not sure where to go with the search on that, as there will be so many people with that surname.

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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Andcarred on Friday 07 September 18 09:58 BST (UK)
Hi JM,

I got my first passport in 1987 and I just needed the copy of my Marriage Certificate from the Church.  When I went back in 1997 I had to have a certified copy.  There used to be some old law that said if a woman was married she had to have her husband's written permission to leave the county.   I think Women's Lib took care of that one.

Andcarred

To get a passport (1970s) I needed 2 marriage certificates a divorce certificate and a birth certificate. My husband needed a birth certificate. I now understand why women choose to retain their birth name after marriage.   :) 

The Qld certificate I had from the celebrant was not acceptable, but in the 1970s I simply had to go to the registry, state who I was and purchase my certificate. To the best of my memory I didn't have to show any ID! (times have changed)

And it wasn't only women who had to get their partner's permission to leave the country. When my ex and I were separated, but not divorced, I had to sign papers giving him permission to leave the country. He needed this to get a passport. I don't know if this is still the case today as we have got our more recent passports at the same time.

 

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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:02 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Thursday 06 September 18 13:02 BST (UK)
Westward,

There's many opportunities to advance sensible discussions here on the Australia Board and elsewhere at RChat, and I approach each opportunity with good will,

I have limited the quote to the first few lines, to save space. That you replied with a page of information most of which came from other posts, suggesting I was amiss with my posting makes me assume you do not accept that posters might disagree with your point of view. Repeating something does not change what it says.


On the Topic of releasing certificate information:
I was married over 50 years ago. Many details of this marriage are online both within and without the NSW BDM registry. As far as privacy is concerned this worries me much less than the government wanting to keep all my details and medical records in a large data base from now until 30 years after I die.



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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Thursday 06 September 18 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Wednesday 05 September 18 06:14 BST (UK)


I read the Opening Post as though Andcarred is referring to New South Wales BDM restrictions for accessing their marriage registrations.  I doubt there's many ways to determine my maiden name without accessing NSW BDM records.    I have tried, so too have my elderly rellies, including retired clergy, retired Archivist, retired senior officers from NSW BDM and we have challenged the younger set to finding us online....  they have not yet succeeded, despite being given clues like: 


Typing something in red doesn't make it any easier or clearer to read. As I said - your people have limited internet exposure. If they don't want to be found online - that is to their benefit.

I do not take kindly to be yelled at on an internet forum & this red type is the same as writing in all caps. Please do not reply to me in this fashion.
 

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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Wednesday 05 September 18 06:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Monday 03 September 18 05:28 BST (UK)

They may be scuppered/confused if researching what's available online as my marriage will not appear on the Scottish records system as I was married abroad i.e. may cause a dilemma/curiosity as to why I'm not on SP marriages  ;D

Annie

hehehehe - I've been married twice - in 2 different Australian states. Those trying to find my birth from any death notices/memorial inscriptions could have problems - well at least I hope they do. Like to leave the odd puzzle for someone to discuss online.  ;D




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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Wednesday 05 September 18 05:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Monday 03 September 18 06:35 BST (UK)


I read the Opening Post as though Andcarred is referring to New South Wales BDM restrictions for accessing their marriage registrations.  I doubt there's many ways to determine my maiden name without accessing NSW BDM records.   


JM

You must have a limited internet presence. My mother's maiden name and my maiden name are online with the SMH notice of my birth. Very easy to find. My marriage notice can also be found in the NSWSL and the NLA SMH images. My mothers maiden and married name is on her memorial inscription and on the funeral notice which can be found in local newspapers (index on the Ryerson Index). My married name is on that funeral notice, so not difficult to determine my maiden name from said notice. Her maiden name is also in archive records related to her profession before marriage. My husband and his siblings can be found in the Qld archives school records.

I didn't know it was compulsory on this website  to discuss only the exact item as mentioned by the OP. As I demonstrate above, there are many ways to find out a person's maiden name without reference to the NSW BDM records. Consequently I don't have a problem with finding my marriage in the NSW indexes.

I understand that others may not agree with me, but I disagree that the information for many people cannot be found elsewhere, I have found it for many of the people I have researched without access to their marriage certificate.
 

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Australia / Re: 50 year closure on Marriages
« on: Monday 03 September 18 04:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Andcarred on Friday 31 August 18 01:36 BST (UK)
Hi JM,

What is more concerning is I have just found a full copy of my parents marriage certificate as signed by them in the Church which is downloadable on Ancestry.   My main concern is that some Banks use mother's maiden name as security question.  I suppose I should be pleased I have not had to pay to get a full copy of this certificate but I do wonder how it came about.  Does Ancestry have permission from the Registry to do this?  I rather think not as the Registry would be missing out on the fee.

As far as only family historians being interested in these details, I feel hackers all over the world would love to get their hands on such sensitive information, just as the Police and other authorities love Facebook. 

Andcarred

I have found many certificates on Ancestry. I don't think they vet what people post and the privacy rules from governments don't apply if they have source information provided by other organisations. I have used the certificates in my research.

 I am of the school that has no problems with the 50 year access to marriage certificates. There are many ways other than certificates that someone's maiden name can be determined. In the US most women use their maiden name as their middle name after marriage. Having married in 1968 I was quite pleased to have moved into history & found myself online  :)

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Australia / Re: Jules F Anseline, Mauritius, gold & slaves
« on: Monday 20 August 18 06:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: giblet on Monday 20 August 18 05:21 BST (UK)

There is 2 birth reg. for the first born.

MORRIS  JULES    4620/1866   mother - MARY      District - ALBURY
AUSELINE  JULES 4620/1866  father -JULES   mother - MARY   District - ALBURY

To me this would indicate that the parents were not married in 1866 when he was born.


Dual indexes could appear when a couple weren't married and the indexers were unsure what the surname of the child should be.

Searching for other births in the time frame with only the mother mentioned gives this one
7218/1870 MORRIS  ALFRED  MARY at BINALONG

I had family working the Victorian gold fields in a similar time frame and not all their children were registered. Sometimes life intervened and such things as registration were bypassed.


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Australia / Re: Mary Ann Buttimer born London
« on: Friday 17 August 18 03:31 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosball on Wednesday 15 August 18 11:24 BST (UK)
There was trouble in the marriage of Alfred E STANLEY and his wife Mary Ann.  He was charged with deserting her in 1876.

Here they determine maintenance amount for her - no mention of children http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article136856804

Here it mentions that Alfred STANLEY is working on the barque Lucknow, a trader between Newcastle and Adelaide  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article110991095

Ros

adding : theatning language used by Alfred STANLEY to his wife Mary Ann STANLEY http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article110991603

There is a possible death in 1876
1876 Alfred STANLEY,  father Alfred, mother Sarah, at Redfern reg 3697/1876
(10 oct 1876)

The date of the threatening language appears to be 1 day after the court ordered Alfred to pay his wife £2 per month - probably not a coincidence   :(

The next marriage would record Mary Ann a widow regardless as to whether he had died or not. Divorce was rare and expensive. The Mary/Ann Alfred marriage would hopefully provide the names of Alfred's parents, to determine if you found the correct death.

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