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Hello,

I know that generally the Harleian visitations are helpful as a pointer but not to be taken as exact fact.

I've been looking at the Essex visitations (1558, 1612 and 1664) for the Cardinall family. I believe that my 6 x great-grandmother is descended from them.

My question is - is it possible that something in the 1558 visitation actually took place later? I've been trying to add parish register, will etc sources to the visitations to add some flesh to the bones (and work out if there's inaccuracies!), and there's something mysterious going on. Did someone just go and add stuff later?

[warning... this might get confusing....]

Here's the 1558 visitation:


Here's the 1612:


Here's the 1634:


What I've worked out (amongst many other things - I won't bore you with it all now) is that William Cardinall married Joane, daughter of John Gourdon, in 1535 - you can see them in the third generation in the 1558 visitation (there's a marriage settlement for them at Bury St. Edmunds' RO). He died in 1568. His son William died in 1596 in Nottinghamshire and left a PCC will. His brother, Charles, married Elizabeth Suckling, and there are baptisms in the Little Bromley register from 1580-1599 for their children - the first one being William Cardinall.

But how can Charles' marriage and his son, born in 1580, appear on the 1558 visitation?

Is it just a simple case that someone went back to the earlier visitations and added more info?

Y-37 is now $129, Y-67 is now $199 and Y-111 is now $279.

I'm going to go for the Y-37, I think. I'm just interested to know what my Dad's Y-haplogroup is, which I understand is what the Y-37 will tell me. I'm not particularly fussed about finding matches using it (which is what the 67 and 111 will do). I don't need to find my Dad's common paternal relative from 350,000 years ago. I think I live without knowing that!!!

 

Hello all,

Does anyone have fiche for the above three parishes, please? I'm doing a study of people with the name Nunn and I've got a Philip Nunn in Lawshall and another in Shimpling in the 1674 Hearth Tax assessment, and another Philip in Assington between 1722 and 1741.

Assington is on Family Search for that period, but doesn't have any Nunn baptisms, but obviously without the fiche, I can't satisfy myself that they haven't been missed off for some reason!

I would not be surprised if the Philips in Lawshall and Shimpling are connected with Philip in Assington (Assington Philip would've been born in the 1680s or 1690s) - if you have the fiche, would you mind awfully having a look for me?

I am on the verge of ordering the fiche myself, but with the business about the Suffolk registers being possibly on the verge of being digitised in some form, I thought I'd check here first in case someone already has the fiche (plus I have Bures fiche for the same period, and legibility is a problem, unfortunately...).

Philip is related to me vaguely by marriage on my father's side, but I have a Nunn brickwall on my mother's side so am doing a one-name project of Nunns, trying to track them down when I find references to them.

Thanks,
Helen.

PS: I am going to ERO in July, so will see if they have any fiche/film there for these places... you never know.....

Hello all,

I have a bit of a conundrum. My great-grandfather's uncle, William James Fleet (1879-?) was a private in the Marines. I've found him on the 1901 census, aged 22, a prisoner at the Lewes Royal Naval Prison. It gives his age, and the place of birth (Ireland) match up with what I know about him (I have his baptism in his Cork - his father was in the Royal Army Medical Corps and was stationed in Cork for a while, hence William being born there). All well and good.

Now, I've got his service record from the National Archives (I'm confident it's his as the date of birth and name is exactly the same as I have on other records, and his address when he leaves is the same as I have for his parents from other records). I'm a bit confused because while the 1901 census was carried out on 31st March 1901 (so that's when William was in the clink), his record says he was on the "Andromeda". At least I think so. There's some initials beside the dates which might cover him being in prison, and I'm not sure what they mean:



You can see the conduct report from 5th Sept 1899 (when he was on board) to the 27th Jul 1900 being "indifferent", but then from 28th July 1900 to 10th June 1901 (which covers the period he would have been in prison), it says "T.F." What does T.F. stand for? Could it be that the service record says "Andromeda" because that's where he nominally was, but was put ashore into the prison? Also on his record, 28th July 1900 comes up again, in the "Services Forfeited" column:



Is this referring to whatever it was he got up to that rendered him being imprisoned?

I'm rather curious (ok, I'm nosey, I admit it) as to what he did to end up in prison. I've had a vague go at looking in the newspapers on FindMyPast but as you can imagine, the moment you try to look for "marine" and "Fleet", it's... yeah. I suppose it could be something as minor as being drunk, so it might not have ended up in the paper anyway. Are there any criminal records somewhere?

I haven't found him on the 1911 census yet, but he is mentioned in his father's will, when he dies in 1920, which I think was written not long before his death. I'm not quite sure what "indifferent" people got up to when they left the Marines, especially if they had a criminal record!