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I wonder if these events tie in somehow.

A Peter Lewin Bell married a Lydia Cheeseman 15/10/1798 St. Mary, Rotherhithe

Can find no children baptised in name of Bell to a Peter and Lydia.

Then we have a baptism of a William Cheeseman bp.26/10/1800 St. Mary Rotherhithe, son of Peter and Lydia.  Again, no other baptisms in name of Cheeseman to a Peter and Lydia.

Seems too much of a coincidence not to mention with all events happening at St. Mary, Rotherhithe where your family were.

Annette

Hi Annette7,

Thank you for this bit of intrigue. Your sentence "Seems too much of a coincidence not to mention with all events happening at St. Mary, Rotherhithe where your family were." has my attention. Am I missing a piece of historical back ground from St Mary's Rotherhithe around this date?

I would be greatful if you are able to expand on this or point me to a source of background reading.

Many thanks
Mark

Hi Mark, 

I noticed your post's slipped off Rootschat's "Home" page without getting a response. (It was still there, but at the foot of the page, when I started on this.) Displayed on the Board only, it may attract less attention so I thought I'd try and help out.

I'm unable to access censuses at the moment and you seem to have been down that road already, together with exploring marriage records in both the UK and Ireland. A fresh pair of eyes taking at look at those could be useful, so I hope someone else comes along and offers to do that. (Or can suggest other avenues to explore, as I do below.) My response should bump your post back to near the top of the Home page, increasing the chances of others replying to your post.

You mentioned a possible Scandinavian connection, maybe Norwegian. As I know nothing about Scandinavian family history resources, I turned to Auntie Google. That's often my first port of call when I need pointers - although posting on Rootschat is just as valid!

NB: The non-Anc**try/FS websites linked to below (the Scandinavian ones - second, fifth, eighth and ninth links) all appear to be in English; but it's possible their records may not be. The records held by Anc**try and any on FS may also not be in English. But there's always Google Translate and Rootschat to help out in that respect.   

First, I googled "norwegian family history records". There were other options on the results page (and I only looked at the first page) but I picked these out, as they may the best place to start:   

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/norway/

https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors/tracing-your-ancestry

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norway_Genealogy

Next, I googled "swedish family history records". Again, there were other options and these are from just the first results page: 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/sweden/

https://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Genealogy

Finally, I googled "danish family history records" and took these from the first page:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/denmark/

https://www.sa.dk/en/services/records-registries/

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

If the none of the links above lead you to the answer you're seeking, you might wish to try googling "icelandic family history records" and "finnish family history records". Although not Scandinavian countries, Iceland and Finland have close ties with Scandinavia, as you may know, so could possibly have some similar family names.

Rgds,

theirchild

Hi therechild,

Thanks for all the links, that is very kind of you. This is why I need another view point because I get so lost in the detail I forget to do the obvious things. I shall check your links out shortly. Thank you.

I also started to wonder about Finland last night as a possibility but I had not yet though of an Icelandic possibility.

The Norwegian link is a hunch simply because my family line that this question relates to has a very large unexplained Norwegian DNA foot print. We can explain all the other ethnicities and know who came from where and why except this Lunn line. Norway maybe be a red herring or a clue. All I can say for sure is that 1841 census seems to imply they are not from Mainland UK.

Manty thanks
Mark

Well its a hunch really. The family doesn't appear to be from Kidderminster even though she gives her birth places as such. They seem to be from around Leonards Stanley, Kings Stanley Caincross Ebley Cashes Green area of west Stroud. There is a William Lewis in that area who is a Waterman / Boat Skipper and also another who is a Weaver although they might even be the same family, not sure. Given that that seem to be hard to pin down they could be moving around a lot. The Stroudwater canal is within spitting distance of these places and it links to the Gloucster and Sharpness Canal with joins the Severn at Gloucester and goes through to Kidderminster. Family might also have spent time at Portsea as well. It's a bit of a puzzled really and I do not have a high level of confidence that any of the information I have is correct.

I am looking for my great great grandmother in the 1851 and 1861 census records. Mary A Lewis married in Stroud in 1870 and I can find her in the census from 1871 onwards but I am struggling in the 1861 and 1851. In her marriage certificate it says her father is William Lewis and that she is a "Spinster" of "Full Age". Her birth year is most likely late 1847 into 1848. There is some confusion about her place of birth and from 1871 onwards it is given as "Kidderminster" but a family tradition also states she came from Ireland. There might be a legitimate reason for some confusion over her origins as it is possible that her father was a Waterman or Canal Boat Skipper although his occupation is given as "Weaver" on her marriage certificate. It might be that there was some issue with respectability.
Any help with Mary would be greatly appreciated - Thank you - Mark

Thank you Willsy,

Checking my previous notes this morning I see I also have names for a number of children possibly born to a Dorothy Bond and John Warner in the Swanington, Whitwick, Coleorton, Ashby area and also a possible previous marriage for John Warner to a Hannah Durrat. As you say though there is a gap where I would expect a "Thomas Warner" birth/baptism to be. This possibles I have around this time are:
Mother Possibly Hannah
1740 Elizabeth
1743 Hannah
Mother possibly Dorothy
1744 John
1745 Mary
1750 Isaac
1773 Abraham
1755 Dorothy
1758 Elizabeth
1762 Anne
1764 Joseph
I pulled these names and a rough family grouping out of the IGI a number of years ago on a general "catch all" sweep for Warners are this area, but the IGI has changed and I can no longer find these records. I wrote down that the dates were Batisms so the births may or may not be close to these dates. So My Thomas, if the Marriage License is correct was born at latest 1758 and from the Death record, the earliest is 1752, but as the Marriage details say his parish is Hinckley then this family may be nothing to do with him....hmmm around in circles

Thanks you - Mark