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The Common Room / Age of witnesses on wills in 1650s and 1660s
« on: Monday 03 April 23 16:47 BST (UK)  »
Hello I have an old will made in 1661 or before (the exact is unclear) which was proved at York in 1663. It was witnessed by three women.

Can anyone please tell the minimum age a witness would have to be to be able to witness a will at this time? Were there any age limits?

Thank you,
Jon


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Armed Forces / 2nd Battalion Irish Guards at Dunkirk 1940
« on: Monday 27 March 23 19:39 BST (UK)  »
Hello can anyone please help me with 23 British soldiers who died in France and were buried in Outreau Communal Cemetery [Cimetière Centre Outreau], Outreau, Pas-de-Calais, Hauts-de-France, France.

The list of graves is included at ancestry here:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2706/images/40465_291521-00084?treeid=5705813&personid=-1396300861&usePUB=true&_phsrc=YXq841&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=59687

George King was my grandmother's first cousin and I have recently listened to a recording I made of her before her death in 2000 where she says he died during the evacuation of Dunkirk and that during the evacuation of France another cousin Albert Hull saw him. They all later found out he had died.

What I am interested in is that the 23 men in the list buried at Outreau were all from the 2 bn. Irish Guards. George's mother was of Irish descent, but what I intrigued by is what happened to these 23 men from the same battalion.

For several of the men the exact date of death is not known and there is a date of up to 4th June 1940, while for others it is clearly the 22nd, 23rd, 24th May or "22nd/23rd2 and "22nd/25th" May 1940.

The wikipedia page for the Irish guards states, "The 2nd Battalion was then deployed to France and ordered to defend the port of Boulogne. The guardsmen held out against overwhelming odds for three days, buying valuable time for the Dunkirk Evacuation, before they were evacuated themselves."

As the Dunkirk evacuation was between 26 May and 4 June 1940, I assume one of the Irish Guards escaped and was evacuated on 25th May and was able to report the dates some of them had died.

Presumably the 9 men who are listed in this document as dying "23rd May/4th June 1940" were left behind alive or had died at locations unknown to the others who survived and left and their bodies were recovered by the Germans after the evacuation was complete?

I have found a pretty sobering account here, which says the men only arrived from Dover on 21st/22ns May 1940: http://dunkirk1940.org/index.php?&p=1_50

If anyone can please help with this, I would be grateful.

Thank you,
Jon

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For many years I have been trying to work out who the Joseph Johnson was who married Ann and had 9 children in Woolwich, London in the 1780s and 1790s. I haven't found their marriage but one child was named Woodworth in 1787 and another was Richard Strickland Johnson in 1791. I have always assumed that they were family names.

A Woodworth Johnson was baptised in St Mary Castlegate, York in 1752. He was the son of Joseph Johnson, a waterman, who married Mary Bocock in the same place and had a son Joseph Johnson junior baptised there in 1753. This was found thanks to a rootschat post here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=764530.msg6162825#msg6162825

My theory (to prove or disprove) is that my ancestor Joseph Johnson who was in Woolwich in the 1780s and 1790s was this Joseph Johnson baptised in York in 1753. My Joseph's widow Ann died in Woolwich in 1844 aged 83, but sadly her death does not seem to be registered to find out what her husband's occupation was. I have commented on this in rootschat here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812840.msg6733560#msg6733560

I am therefore trying to find out more about Joseph Johnson in York, particularly waterman records. It seems possible that his son was also a waterman and could have done this role on the River Thames in London.

If anyone knows anything about waterman records in York, or can think of anything else to help continue this search I would be grateful for any thoughts or ideas.

Thank you,
Jon 

     

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Hello for about a decade I have been trying to find the marriage of Henry King around the Skipton in Craven area of Yorkshire.

He had a daughter Jane King baptised in Marton in Craven in 1644, then three sons baptised in Skipton; John King in 1647, Henry King in 1649 and William King in 1650. The latter baptisms show he lived at Embsay.

I wonder if anyone could please have a look with fresh eyes for a marriage, which I guess could have also taken place in Lancashire.

He joined the Quakers and died in 1680, but I am specifically interested in his life prior to joining the Quakers.

Thank you,
Jon


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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Skipton parish registers - original images
« on: Monday 27 February 23 00:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello can anyone please tell me if the original pages of the parish registers of Skipton in Craven are available online anywhere please?

I am particularly interested in the March 1655/6 marriage of John Dickinson and Elizabeth Parke.

If anyone can tell me where this may be available to see, I would be grateful.

Thank you,
Jon


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The Common Room / Non-conformist births recorded in parish registers around 1700
« on: Tuesday 07 February 23 01:39 GMT (UK)  »
Can anyone please tell me why around 1700, births of non-conformists (who were not baptised in the church) were recorded in parish registers and how long this went on for? Was there specific legislation around this time to do so?

I have Quakers in Church of England churches in Yorkshire recorded in the parish register, for example at the bottom of this page, where their births are found recorded in the Quaker registers: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1606763:62228?_phsrc=YXq97&_phstart=successSource&gsln=king&ml_rpos=12&queryId=c4f9f33695ab516a0ca99276e3b96094

And also in Whitechapel in London the same thing from 1696 to 1705 with the heading in the register of "An account of the Births of those Children which are not Baptized according to the Rites and Ceremonyes of the Church of England as they were delivered in on the several days following": https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1624/images/31280_199192-00333?treeid=5705813&personid=6056977433&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=3163963

 
And did this also happen with the recordings of non-conformist deaths, where burials may have taken place elsewhere to Church of England burial grounds at all?

If anyone can help at all, that would be great.

Thank you,
Jon

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Durham / St. John the Evangelist Churchyard memorials, Seaham Harbour
« on: Saturday 07 January 23 17:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello I visited Seaham this week while in the North East and had a good look around.
 
My ancestor James Stephenson (1790-1877) was one of the earliest coast guards after the service started in 1822. He was based in Hawthorn Hive for several years.

However by 1851 he had retired to live in Seaham Harbour where he is found in the census up to 1871 with his wife Sarah Stephenson, formerly Mackey (1793-1873).

I knew from the findagrave website that her brother Richard Mackey (1802-1876) and his wife also named Sarah (died 1877) have a grave stone in St John's churchyard, now moved to the wall. I saw it in the graveyard and the page on findagrave is here:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211015979/richard-mackey

However as can be seen, there is space above for two other people. I think these could possibly be Sarah Stephenson who died in 1873 (As the first name looks like it could be Sarah) and James Stephenson who died in 1877.

I am therefore looking for any transcriptions of the old stones, perhaps when they were moved to the wall some decades ago. Or any old photographs that might help.

However I don't know if the stones been documented at all as they are eroding away now and so hopefully they have been.

If anyone can help with this, that would be great!

I emailed Durham Record Office about the stones, who said:

Thank you for your email of 23 December 2022.

For the parish of Seaham Harbour St John we hold burial registers covering 1841 to 1936. These are summarised here:

https://durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/search-options/search-church-registers/church-search-results/church-registers-item/?Keywords=seaham&Variations=N&Parish=0&RegType=0&StartDate&EndDate&Denomination=0&ChurchType=0&Dedication=0&OrderBy=NAME&ItemID=597817

The full catalogue of parish records (ref. EP/SeaH) does not include any further grave registers or grave plans. Nor do we appear to hold any Monumental Inscription Lists for the churchyard.

https://durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/search-options/search-the-catalogue/catalogue-search-results/catalogue-item/?Variations=N&AllWords=ep%2Fseah&ImagesOnly=N&ItemID=165468

Our last survey of the parish office in 2017 also suggests that there is no similar material retained by the parish.

I am sorry we could not be of more help.



I have also emailed the church, but have not heard anything back yet.

Does anyone here please have any knowledge of Seaham or offer any suggestions about where else might hold transcriptions of the old gravestones or hold old photographs?

Thank you,
Jon

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Hi I am wondering if someone can please help me track down the origins of my Sellars or Sellar ancestors who came to live in South Shields, County Durham.

There are three siblings I know about but I have yet to locate their parents or origins. They are:


1. Thomas Sellars|Sellers|Sellar. Born c1707-1718. Died 1789.

Master Mariner. Married twice; 1734 Isabella Lamsdon and 1758 widow Isabella Hall. Died 1789 and buried in South Shields, County Durham. Aged 81 on now-lost gravestone and aged 40 and upwards on marriage bond.

His will names brother Richard Sellars, niece Mary Cousins (Richard's daughter) and her son Thomas (who he strangely calls grandson) and nephew Sellars Stewardson (son of sister Susanna and left only 1 shilling).

He also mentions people related to him in unknown ways; nephew Thomas Richardson, a schoolmaster at North Shields, niece Ann Allon (probably sister Susanna's daughter, see below) Sand Thomas Lumsdon, who he also calls grandson.

1758 marriage details here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-86X4 & https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-86FG

1789 will here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTG3-6D9?i=386&wc=SDFL-7M9%3A1310048468&cc=2365059
 
2. Richard Sellars|Sellar. Born c1723 to 1724. Died 1790

Mariner. Married 1754 widow Mary Bruce where marriage allegation gives age as 30. Had one daughter Mary Sellars|Cousins|Mackey (1765-1820). Both named in brother Thomas Sellars will as well as Mary's son Thomas Sellars Cousins. He was buried at South Shields in 1790.

1754 marriage bond and allegation: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-ZNRL & https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-ZNY3

3. Susanna Sellar|Stewardson. Born c1709 to 1727. Died 1761.

Only recently identified, as baptism of son Sellars Stewardson named in brother Thomas Sellars' will has just been found in Slingsby, Yorkshire. Married 1745 widow John Stewardson in Slingsby. Had a daughter Ann baptised in 1750 and a son Sellar or Sellars in 1754, both in Slingsby.

She was buried in 1761 in Slingsby. Son Sellars Stewardson died in 1783 in Gosport, Hampshire, his uncle not knowing when he left him 1 shilling in his 1789 will that he had already died.

Three versions of Susanna's 1745 marriage to John Stewardson list her parish as 'Yetlingham', 'Yelingham' and 'Yeddingham' so this is clearly nearby Yedlingham, Yorkshire. Could this be where the Sellars family came from?


If anyone is please able to help me trace down the origins of this Sellars family, I would be most grateful.

Thank you,
Jon

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Northumberland Lookup Requests / 1811 Marriage Christ Church Tynemouth
« on: Tuesday 13 December 22 22:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello I am looking to see the original entry of marriage of James Stephenson and Sarah Mackey.

It took place on 1 May 1811 at Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland. The BTs are on familysearch but are names only of the marriages, not full details.

Does anyone know if it is online or where to find it? Or at least have a full transcription showing the full details please?

Thank you,
Jon

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