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My x3 great grandfather, who was born in 1785, was a cabinet maker by profession. His sons all became either 'turner', 'cabinet maker' or French polisher and so did their sons, right up to my grandfather who opened a fish and chip shop !

These questions are only asking for speculative answers (unless anyone really DOES know something)...
[1] would all these trades have sprung from an apprenticeship?
[2] if your own father taught you, presumably there would be no formal apprenticeship ? Was that common ? If you served no formal aprenticeship then could you still be a journeyman or did you need papers ??
[3] would such occupations be recorded as belonging to a company as. for example, i.e. the watchmakers company or the tallow chandlers company etc because I can't find any record of such an association.
[4] seeing as there was such a strong streak of 'wood' in the family, do you think it likely that previoud generations would have also been so employed ? I don't know how strong such trades were in families in the 18th century. Obviously if I can find carpenters etc further back then I may be able to trace my x3 great grandfather's family.
Any idea welcome !

Cheers, Karen

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Thanks for the link. I have seen these Old Bailey transcripts - unfortunately there is more than the odd criminal RIDOUT, including a smuggler and a murderer (although he was set free). I was hopeful when I re-read this case that he might have been the chap I'm looking for but it doesn't fit. Today I heard from a chap in Hammersmith who told me that John's son was born at St Paul's Hammersmith and that John was a servant. I'm not not saying that is impossible but my 3x great grandfather was a French polisher and cabinet maker by trade. The fellow in the Old Bailey case (which refers to a pub in EC1) has John as a publican. Obviously John Ridout is not a rare name at all, as I have found in my studies of this family  Many thanks again for writing.

Cheers, Karen

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My 3x great grandfather, John RIDOUT's brother, Samuel RIDOUT (b. 1796, Sherborne, Dorset) lived and worked in London. He married Elizabeth Radnor in Marylebone and then moved about a bit - Dorking, Hammersmith, Kensington and St Pancras. The only info I don't have on this man is from the 1841 census. 

John (b. 1785, Sherborne) may have stayed in London, with his wife Martha, perhaps between 1818 and 1822 (he's in Bath either side of those years as shown by the birth of his children, censuses and trade directory listings). Today I found a possible misspelt christening of a Henry REDOUT to John and Martha REDOUT at Hammersmith (no other details on IGI) on 25th February 1821. I believe this may be the same son who died in Bath, in 1840 aged 19, from dropsy. If so then perhaps John joined his brother Samuel in London for a couple of years and Henry was born during that time.

Can anyone help with anything - for example 1841 census (unlikely I know), trade directory entries for either of them for this period - both were cabinet makers/carpenters/French polishers/turners, or perhaps have some idea of the likely institution referred to simply as 'Hammersmith' on the LDS IGI entry. Any information would be most gratefully received.

Thankyou, Karen

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Thanks for this information. I've never 'seen' 1821 or 1832 census data before so where did you find it ? I knew the detail was, shall we say, scanty 

Hopefully these partial addresses will help narrow down my search for Samuel - thankyou very much !

Cheers, Karen

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Samuel Ridout married Elizabeth Radnor in 1824 St Marylebone (Pallots Marriage Index). This is a strong contender for my 4x great uncle but I have no other sightings of him, other than this record. Would SKS find him in a census for this area please - I have no address but wondered if this couple might be indexed in 1851 ?? Very grateful for ANY information on Samuel and his family.

Many thanks, Karen