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I am following a line of enquiry to resolve my Jones brickwall.

I have all available information forward from this:
1851 Census: HO107/1541 - F   p   - 4 North St, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
William Jones, Head, M, 31,  Grocer, Berks, Windsor
Ann Jones, Wife, M, 27, Surrey, Dulwich

In 1861 his place of birth was given as Clewer, Berkshire

In 1867 he married for the second time 14TH December 1867. Parish Church in the Parish of Clewer, Berkshire
Groom: William Jones, full age, Widower, Coal Merchant, Spital, Father: William Jones, Lighterman
Witnesses were the Parish Clerk and a Pew Opener, but intriguing that he returned to his pob for his 2nd marriage. First marriage was in 1843 St Lukes, Norwood - witnesses connected to the bride.

In 1871,81 & 91 his pob was shown as Windsor.

The line of enquiry I'm following applies these christenings and burials to William Jones b 1819:
CHRISTENINGS:
A   14th February 1819. Parish of New Windsor, Berkshire. William s/o William & Mary Bargeman of Spital
Others to same? parents:
B.    26th May 1822 Mary Jones, St Andrew, Clewer d/o William Jones Lab and Mary of Spital Row b 28th April 1822
C.    7 May 1826 Charlotte Jones. St Andrew, Clewer. d/o Wiliam Jones Bargeman and Mary of Spital

OTHER:
Berkshire Burial Index:
Charlotte Jones, age 7, born 1826, Spittall. Burial 1 August 1833. St Andrew, Clewer, Berkshire.
Mary Jones, aged 45, born 1785, Spittall. Burial 17 Jan 1830. St Andrew, Clewer.
William Jones. Aged 43, born 1782. Spittall. Burial 8 December 1825. St Andrew, Clewer.
Mary Jones, age 19, Born 1820, Clewer. Burial 23 December 1839, St John the Baptist, New Windsor.
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In this basis, William is without parents from 1830, aged 11 and unless taken in by other members of family, he would most likely come under the authority of the Poor Law and would either be taken in by them or apprenticed - Clewer was in the Windsor Union.

My question is should I contact Berkshire RO to enquire about Poor Law records for William Jones b 1819 - are they working at the moment? Or should I follow up the father of William - also William Jones, Bargeman? I have been in touch with the Company of Watermen and Lightermen and said I am interested in a Lighterman/Bargeman living in Clewer and received the reply: We only have records for the Thames.  We may have some information. The information we recorded was the apprentice’s name, date bound (as an apprentice to the Company), place, his master’s name and the date if/when he gained his freedom of the Company.
An additional charge would be made for searching other of our records

Has anyone had any success with the Company of Watermen and Lightermen?

Thanks in advance

Thank you so much for that information - I'll forward copies of the 1911 census entries to the researcher. I've looked up the births of the children from the adopted families and neither the married or the maiden surnames seem to relate to the original family. But the information given by Grace Hurst herself was that she had a wonderful childhood in Sussex and a great school. So any further information on schools in the area and how to access records would be very much appreciated. Although we're all anxiously awaiting the release of the 1921 census in 2022 the researcher would dearly love to know more earlier than that.

Thanks again

I'm posting on behalf of someone in my Genealogy Group who has long been searching for a family member born in 1908 in Lambeth and due to difficulties within the family was sent to live with another family - most likely an aunt or uncle. The story is that she attended a school in Forest Row in Sussex. She would have been sent away from about age 3 to somewhere in her teens and although a visit has been made to Forest Row searching for the school she would have attended, nothing was found and the assumption has been made that whatever school it was, is no longer there.

Does anyone have any local knowledge of schools in the area from around 1912 to 1922?

She hasn't been found on the 1911 census.

Any ideas?

I have had a look at James Richman Lloyd’s family - you suggest “an element of illiteracy”, but I suspect maths may not have been a strong point either. In 1861 the “Lloydd” children Louisa, Julia and James Richmond are entered as 15, 13 and 10 but in fact seem to have been more like 8, 6 and 1.

Louisa Lloyd: born 8 May 1852 and baptised 15 Aug 1852 Manchester Cathedral
Julia Ann Lloyd: born 4 Feb 1855 and baptised 27 Jan 1856 Manchester Cathedral
James Richmond Lloyd: birth reg Dec qtr 1859 and baptised 22 Jan 1860 St Anne, Soho (Westminster)

Yes - I also noticed the weird ages. I can't see any explanation other than ignorance. 1871 and 1881 are okay, but perhaps one of the children took over the paperwork! I haven't been able to find this family in 1851. Interestingly the baptism immediately after that of Louisa Lloyd was for a child with surname Galbraith - the maiden surname of Mary Jane Lloyd (with of James Richman Lloyd). I traced that Galbraith family in 1851 but no sign of this Lloyd family in the area.

I'd appreciate comments and views on the following brickwall:

1   Charles           1815   St Mary, St Marylebone   George & Mary   Serv   
2   Mary   1816   St James, Westminster   George & Mary Ann   Porter   Queen St
3   James Richman   1818   St James, Westminster   George & Mary   Servant   20 Queen St
4   John George   1821   St John the Evangelist   George & Mary Ann   Servant   Frederick St
5   George William   1823   St James, Piccadilly   George & Mary Ann   Servant   10 Heddon St
6   Sarah Margaret   1825   St James, Westminster   George & Mary Ann   Servant   Swallow Street
7   Elizabeth Ann   1827   St James Westminster   George & Mary Ann   Servant   Little Vine St
8   Samuel Orange   1829   St James, Westminster   George & Mary Ann   Servant   Swallow Street

The above are possible siblings of my ancestor Samuel Orange Lloyd. The object is to identify his parents and siblings and identify any cuckoos in the nest:
A.   All the above baptisms occurred within one to three months of birth except John George Lloyd for whom there is a 7 month gap. He was also the only one to be baptised at St John the Evangelist which was either in Upper Holloway or Waterloo.
B.   St James, Westminster and St James, Piccadilly are the same church.
C.   Queen Street is in Mayfair, Westminster a short distance from Piccadilly. Frederick Street is in Camden, St Pancras. Heddon Street, Swallow St and Little Vine St are at the lower end and west of Regent Street and Swallow Street joins Piccadilly – all three are in Westminster making Frederick Street (John George Lloyd) the odd one out.
D.   Only the last six children were given middle names. Note: Samuel Orange Lloyd frequently gave his name as Samuel William Lloyd.
E.   Neither Charles, Mary, John George or Elizabeth Ann have been traced. Sarah Margaret died in 1827 which leaves James Richman and Samuel Orange as the only children successfully traced - George William Lloyd-two found in 1841 but the parents are not a match.
F.   On the marriage certificate for Samuel William (Orange) Lloyd in 1859, his father is shown as George William Lloyd, Brass Founder.
H.   On the marriage certificate for James Richman Lloyd in 1845 Dublin, Ireland. His father is shown as George Lloyd, Sailor!!!
I.     James Richman Lloyd not found in 1841 or 1851. In 1861 he is in Finsbury, London with his wife and children. All surnames are shown as Lloydd and the birth registration of one of his children was given as Lloydd. James Richman Lloyd’s only male child was christened James Richman Lloyd in 1860, but his birth registration was given as James Richmond Lloyd suggesting an element of illiteracy.



Any ideas?