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Hi
Does anyone have access to the PR's for Bidborough?

I am interested in the Full entry for the following baptisms (ie if it says fathers occ, place of birth etc, rather than just the date as per Familysearch)

All for surname Wickenden

William 21 October 1804 parents William and ELizabeth
James 23 Feb 1813 parents JAmes and Ann
Harriet 22 March 1818 parents William and Frances
George 17 Oct 1819 parents William and Frances
Eliza 14 Oct 1821 parents William and Frances

and also
Sarah Smith 17 May 1788 dtr of Mary Smith.

OR if no one has access to them- can anyone tell me where these records are held so I can go on a nice day trip sometime!!

Thanks.

Hi
Normally I (along with others) enjoy fiddling around doing a bit of detective work trying to solve various mysteries on here. But this is a mystery in my own research, and I wondered if any of my fellow rootschatters would like to have a look around and see if they can see anything to help solve it!

I am looking at William Oldfield (I am descended from his sister, Elizabeth), bn 1841 Sheffield.
Born 18 Feb 1841.  Christened 5th May 1841 Sheffield Parish Church.

His parents are John and Elizabeth. Father John is a grinder, or fork grinder. Family is very into "grinding"
He is on 1841 aged 3 months with family in Fitzallen Street, Brightside Bierlow.
He is on 1851 aged 10 with family in Fitzallen Street
He is on 1861 aged 20 with widowed mother at Fitzallen Street, now following in family tradition as is a fork grinder.

When it comes to 1871, the only contender I found was one aged 30, married to a Sarah (prob Davies, marriage 1862), living nearby in High Street, Brightside Bierlow.  This one is a crane driver.

I looked high and low for any other William of this age in earlier censuses (who might be the one who ended up a crane driver) but there were no other contenders, so I accepted that this one was "mine" and thought well of him, having broken the mould and got out of "grinding" !

William-the-crane-driver can then be followed through all the censuses up to his death in 1927.

BUT
Then I found a criminal record, for HMP Wakefield, to say that on 8th April 1881 (just after 1881 census) a William Oldfield, age 40, born Sheffield, and a Grinder, was convicted of "Rogue, Vagabond and exposing his person", and spent 3 months in prison!  The record indicated he had had a military past.
This posed the question - are there 2 William Oldfields of similar age bn Sheffield around? Or is this criminal actually the same one as the crane driver?

I took the view there are two people - the crane driver was settled as a family man by 1871 and was with them in 1881 and had no indication of a time in the military. And he was a crane driver since 1871, not a grinder.

So, the second question - which one is "mine"? Is he the one who changes occupation and his life can be followed through  , OR is that actually someone else, and mine is the one who had a time in the army and then in HMP Wakelfield?    And , given that ONE of these two is mine and can be found in earlier censuses with family growing up in Fitzallen Street, where is the other one so he can be ruled out?

The occupation of grinder on the prison record maybe gives slight weight to William-the-criminal being mine.
BUT - at the baptism of Sarah Elizabeth, eldest daughter of William-the-crane-driver, the address given is Fitzallen Street,, which as you see from the censuses was very much the family home of "my" William! So this gives weight to W-the-crane-driver being "mine" as originally thought!

I guess maybe the only answer is to get the marriage cert of William to Sarah, to see if father is John the fork grinder or not.

By why is there ever only one William on any census, if there are 2 of them around?

But I thought I'd throw it out to you lot first! Maybe a newspaper report on the W-the-criminal incident?

Thanks!

Unwanted Birth Cert. Free to good home. Details:-

26th Sept 1844
Upper Orwell Street Ipswich

William

boy

Mother Susanna Green nee Allen
Father William Green of Upper Orwell Street, St Clements, Ipswich


Here is the family on 1851, to help you see if it is "yours"

Upper Orwell Street, Ipswich
William Green 35 Maltser
Susannah 33 wife
Sarah 9
William 6
Eliza 4
Charles 1     all bn Ipswich

Hi
I am currently clearing out my late father-in-laws bungalow. Amongst all the stuff there I have found some photos of an old friend of my late mother-in-law. Also some letters this friend wrote to my late m-I-l, which contain family news, and a newspaper cutting of the friends engagement.
I wont post the lady's name here in case she is still alive. Her parents were Frederick George Coleman and Alice Maycock who married in Hackney in June 1925, and they went on to have twins in 1926.  The friend emigrated to US to marry and presumably lived there, as the letters are from the US not long after her wedding.  Letters seem to imply twin in US too.

If this is your family and you would like these heirlooms, just pm me your address and Ill pop them in the post!

Hi
Has anyone got access to the Burial Records for the parish of Appledore?

I have found 2 burials on Familysearch and it would  be helpful to know the ages of the deceased - plus any other info, if any,  the PR gives of course.

Or if anyone happens to live in the village , and is taking the dog for a walk round the churchyard, and spots a headstone!

They are:
George Boniface 26 May 1823
Rebecca Boniface 15 Sep 1827

Thank you.