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Armagh / Re: Robinson of ardmore, armagh
« on: Monday 29 February 16 03:38 GMT (UK)  »
I think Gerald Johnston Robinson's middle name is clue that his paternal grandmother might have been Mary Johnson, daughter of Quakers Robert and Sarah of Castleraw in Kilmore Parish. Robert died in 1864 and left a will naming a daughter as Mary Robinson. There's a record in the Armagh Diocese marriage bonds index for a George Robinson and Mary Johnston in 1841 that seems like a good fit.

I do have a marriage announcement for Robert Robinson and Margaret Gilchrist from the Belfast Morning News 8 Sep 1879:

Sept 4, in Portadown Wesleyan Church, by the Rev Mr McGaghie, Robert Robinson, Ardmore House, Co Armagh, to Maggie, daughter of James Gilchrist, Ballyorgan, Co Down.


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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 00:33 GMT (UK)  »
You named somebody you plan on emailing so they're probably alive and your longer post names somebody else as a source of information who may well be alive.

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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 00:19 GMT (UK)  »
The information you posted is combing (at least) two William Lockes - one who stayed in Ireland and one who settled in Simcoe County. They were very close in age and used similar naming for their children. Finding proof one of them being a brother would be a big step.

Your posts will probably be edited as you have posted names of people who may be living which is not allowed here.

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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Monday 22 February 16 19:59 GMT (UK)  »
No, Tartaraghan parish records aren't available online but at least it's a parish with significant surviving records so somebody might be able to help you eventually. Baptismal records don't usually have very much information though and you don't really know what you're looking for yet. Finding a Francis Locke, son of Silas would not prove he was your ancestor.

The Francis Locke who married Mary Robinson in 1840 definitely is not your ancestor but he lived in the same area. You might find his baptism record instead.

What evidence to you have that Francis had a nephew William? Following up on anything establishing siblings is by far your best bet.

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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Friday 19 February 16 01:10 GMT (UK)  »
Well the dates you gave for William Locke in Simcoe are correct and that family was from Armagh and used the name Silas so they were probably related. Is that you you're referring to as buried in Toronto?

William Locke of Derrycorr's son William Locke is listed as an insurance agent residing in Cleveland, Ohio on his 1889 marriage record and as a retired medical doctor on his 1936 death record. Both events took place in Toronto but I can't find census records for him and I can't account for his wife. His death record includes the details that he had ceased practicing medicine in 1935 after 50 years in the occupation which would mean he'd started practicing in 1885 (aged about 35), 4 years before his marriage. He's intriguing.

You need to focus on Canadian records and establishing siblings for Francis. As I said, finding a baptism record (if one even survives) for a Francis Locke won't help you at all unless you already have enough information to confirm it's the right Francis Locke. Usually that confirmation comes from already knowing the names of the parents or from knowing the names of siblings and also finding their baptism records so you can match the family.

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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Thursday 18 February 16 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
I still need more details on what you already have.

It sounds like you can confirm Francis Locke who died 1885 in Toronto as your ancestor which should be pretty straightforward if you've looked at the Canadian records.

Do you have anything with Francis's parents' names? Because his age references are so inconsistent that finding an Armagh baptism for a Francis Locke within a 15-year period would be of little help.

I think Canadian records are key to confirming sibling relationships and ultimately parents.

Francis Locke's wife Mary died 11 Aug 1867 and was buried 12 Aug 1867. She was born about 1829 in Ireland which is consistent with her 1861 census return. The cause of death is listed as Confinement (pregnancy) and her stillborn daughter was buried 25 Jul 1867. I got that information from the Toronto Trust Cemeteries collection on Familysearch.

Mary and her daughter are buried in the same grave (Necropolis O 33) as Julia A Locke who was born about 1822 in Ireland and died 25 Dec 1856. This might be the same Julia who is on the 1852 census in Albion with a Francis along with an Ann Jane who I haven't accounted for. Is that what you have?

Francis Locke was also buried in that grave as was Mary Jane Marks, married woman, born about 1799 and died 4 Oct 1878. There is an 1828 record in the Armagh Diocese marriage licence bonds index for a marriage between a Mary Jane Locke and a Robert Marks.

You mentioned Francis and Mary being possibly married in 1840 but that seems way too early going by the Canadian records. There is a record of a Francis Locke marrying a Mary Robinson in 1840 in the Clogher Diocese but that doesn't look like a match to me. I would think they married around 1855-1858 based on Mary's age and their first known child being born in 1859.

The 1871 census has Francis Locke living with an Irish-born William Locke who isn't a son or brother so nephew is most likely. Have you traced him?

I have a working theory that your Francis was the son of Silas Locke from Derrycorr in Tartaraghan Parish. This Silas had a son William who stayed in Derrycorr but William's widow and most of his children went to Toronto or near Toronto. His son William may have been the William with your family in 1871 but I'm not sure about that.

There was a John Locke born about 1812 who married a Mary Jane Bell and whose 1885 Toronto death record says he was born in Derrycorr. He was a grocer like your Francis but I don't have more linking them yet.

Obviously the William Locke in Simcoe was not a brother of William Locke of Derrycorr so if you have proof that he was a brother of your Francis then that will disprove my theory.




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Armagh / Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
« on: Thursday 18 February 16 03:21 GMT (UK)  »
Which is your direct line and what information are you looking for?

From your other post, it sounds like you got this from somebody else and haven't been able to confirm it? So you need to work backwards from your known ancestors.

I was able to make some preliminary connections among the children you listed as belonging to Silas Locke and Margaret Lee but I believe that some of that list from another family.

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Armagh / Re: LOCKE, how can I find records for free from Armagh Ireland
« on: Wednesday 17 February 16 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
If you post what you know then there is a very good chance somebody will be able to give you some new information at some point. Please post a detailed summary.

Be sure to include names and dates for the people born in Armagh, and why you think they were from Armagh. And be sure to also include approximate date of immigration and exact locations for their early years in Canada. If your Irish-born relatives married somebody Irish in Canada then include spouse information as that is often significant.

I have a research interest in early Methodism in Armagh and I definitely have some Locke records and references.

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Armagh / Re: Tracing Armagh ancestors early 1800's - Carrick/Robinson
« on: Thursday 28 January 16 07:13 GMT (UK)  »
Your research sounds solid.

Those double last names are tricky and can come about in a number of ways.

Mary Robinson's husband was John Walker Redmond but his father was Abraham Walker and he seems to have taken the name Redmond on because his mother had no surviving brothers. Mary took on the double last name as did all their children. Except one son married a Walker cousin and they seem to have become Redmond Walkers instead of Walker Redmonds. Maybe he got an inheritance from an uncle or an in-law.

Their daughter Sophia Walker Redmond's married name was Clendinning if you want to check out her will referencing Ruddell Todd.

I'm not related to any of these families that I know of. They interconnect with several lines who married into my extended family. My database has lots of Robinson, Ruddell, and Todd branches in Armagh and just a couple Carrick branches. It's always nice to link them up.

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