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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
« on: Friday 14 September 18 16:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to several very helpful Rootschatters, I now have one branch of my family traced back to the Marske and Redcar areas ( parish of Marske but described as Redcar on some documents).

On one burial entry in 1783, I have Christopher Gardiner of New Mills. On another, in 1832, Christiana Dove (wife of Joseph Dove of Redcar) of Shields.

I suspect that the Shields bit is actually referring to North Shields, where her married daughter lived and where she might have spent some of her later life but I could be wrong - was there an area/small-holding/hamlet around Redcar called Shields?

New Mills - the only place I can find which might fit is what is now Marske Mill Lane but that is Saltburn not Redcar? In the early 1800s, was there a mill somewhere else in the area which would fit?

Having grown up in Lazenby and spending seven years at school in Redcar, with most of my friends coming from Saltburn, I feel faintly embarrassed at having to ask these questions but in my defence, I left the area in 1969 and have forgotten most of what I once knew!

Any help would be more than welcome. Thanks. :)

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / The Eternal Search For Smiths...
« on: Sunday 18 March 18 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
I don't know what I did, in a former life, to deserve this number of Smiths in my family tree!

Before I go and spend even more money on certificates, I wonder if anyone has access to burial records for churches in or close to Northallerton and if so, would you be able to check one Robert Smith, died in the March quarter of 1840 in the Northallerton district. ( 24/301). I am hoping this is my 4 x great grandfather, husband of Elizabeth ( ?), who was still alive in the 1841 census, living in East Harsley so that could be a clue. Robert's birth was probably around 1760 - 1770.

It could be that Robert died before registration began, of course but I thought it worth checking this one out and if there is a burial record, it might confirm that it his him - in which case I'll send for the certificate, or eliminate him from my list of possibles - at which point I shall go back to tearing my hair out!

I seem to be getting horribly close to linking up my two maternal Smith lines, which is something I have long suspected could be the case.

Many thanks,

Jen :)

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Australia / Transported Convict Query
« on: Thursday 14 December 17 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I have just found out that a four times great uncle was transported from the UK, to Australia in 1842. He was Francis Iley, born 1806 in Yarm, Yorkshire.

I have no idea whether or not he stayed, how long he lived and whether or not he married and had a family. Can anyone help with looking for signs of him? I can't see any death record for him in the UK so assume he didn't come back.

Many thanks,

Jen

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Oh for the wings of a Dove....
« on: Friday 03 February 17 20:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

Christiana/Christian Dove married William Smith, 1818, in Marske by the Sea, North Riding, Yorkshire. She spent her married life in Tynemouth, which is where William was born.

I believe she was born around 1793-95, possibly in Robin Hood's Bay, or Moorsholm. In two censuses she says Redcar but that was the civil parish - I don't think she was born in the town.

In 1861, William Smith is a visitor in the Redcar household of Joseph Dove, born Robin Hood's. c1795. I think he is more than likely to be Christiana's brother.

I would really appreciate some Rootschat help in tracking down the Dove family.

I can't begin to tell you how excited I am to think that I might have ancestors from Robin Hood's Bay. I've been a little bit in love with the place since I slept in the shelter opposite the Bay Hotel, as a teenager with a bit of a wander-lust!

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The man on the far right of the group shot....is that the same person as in the portrait attached?

According to one source, all the people in the group are all women, putting on a show of some kind during WW1. I can't believe the one on the right is a woman!

Several are marked with a cross. I think they are members of my family - the bride is definitely my great-aunt and I think the man on the right is her uncle.

Any thoughts?

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Technical Help / Windows 10 problems
« on: Thursday 05 January 17 19:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I have just bought a new laptop and am having various problems so hoping someone in here might be able to help me.

Firstly - I have tried to download a free Legacy programme, plus one or two other things but am receiving the message that the downloads could not be completed. Can anyone explain why that might be.

Secondly - my old laptop was pretty ancient and all my documents are in Microsoft Works - another obsolete programme. There appears to be a recent downloadable Works programme but again, my laptop won't accept it. Am I really going to have to type out every document I have ever created or is there a way of converting the originals to Word?

If anyone can help with either of these questions, I would be eternally grateful.

Many thanks, Jen.

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Durham / Margaret Smith death
« on: Saturday 03 December 16 13:36 GMT (UK)  »
Here is a fairly massive request....

Is it possible and is there anyone who has the time to check several Margaret Smith death records, in Sunderland, for me? I am tackling my elusive Smith family again and need to verify or eliminate my favourite theory once and for all.

There is a record of a marriage of William Smith and Margaret Young in 1850. In 1851, they are in Sunderland - he is a butcher, born Tynemouth. I have been totally convinced, for a long time that these were my great-grandfather's parents but today I received his birth certificate and it turns out that although I am right about William, the mother was Mary Ann Smith, née Smith!

I still believe that Margaret Young was William's first wife so am now looking for her death record, between 1851 (census) and 1856. There are several recorded in those years but unfortunately it was before ages were listed so I would need to send for all the certificates and that is beyond the reach of my purse!


So, if anyone has access to burial records, or any other way of checking, I am looking for a death of Margaret Smith, in Sunderland, age 19-26 ( she is 18 in 1851), wife of William Smith, Butcher.

I can give all the possible BMD registration references if that helps.

I'm probably asking the impossible but I do know there are some very clever Rootschatters out there so my fingers are firmly crossed.

Many thanks.

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Ernest Cooper Smith, born in Middlesbrough, November 1886, was the son of John Smith and Harriet Knight. He was always known by his family in Middlesbrough as Cooper but his young wife Lillian, in Sheffield, called him Ernie. They had a daughter Mabel, born in February 1914.

Cooper was a career soldier, joining the army on September 18th 1902. In June 1914, as he approached the date on which he was due for his final discharge after twelve years service, he had applied for a civilian post and received a glowing reference from Lt. Cl. Ainslie of the Northumberland Fusiliers. His discharge papers describe him as "sober, honest and trustworthy" and state that there were no instances of drunkenness in his twelve years of service.

Before he could take up his civilian career, with war looming, Cooper decided that he had to re-join the army to serve his country. In a letter to Lillian, he writes " ....remember you are a British Soldier's wife, who is not afraid to die for his country..........although our love is loyal, my country has more claim on me" On August 14th 1914, he landed in France.

Then, on 2nd November he wrote to Lillian saying that he was well but tells her about a friend who had been killed.

On November 7th, the 1st Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers were close to Ieper, at Herenthage Chateau on the Menen Road. The war diary for November 8th reads...."War Diary.: 4 a.m. received order to hold the line at all costs. Intermittent shelling and rifle fire throughout the day. About 5.30 p.m. the enemy left their trenches and charged our right. During the day our fire from our trench had been withheld. When the enemy charged a heavy rifle and machine gun fire from our trench was brought to bear on them and coming in the nature of a surprise did great execution and the enemy were repulsed with heavy losses. During the night the R.E. strengthened the position.
At the end of that day the diary reports that three men of the battalion had been killed, eleven wounded and sixty-one listed as missing. Among those whose bodies were never found, was Ernest Cooper Smith. With no known grave, his is one of the 54,403 names on the Menin Gate in Ieper.

Cooper's widow never re-married. She sent some of his possessions back to his family in Middlesbrough and remained in touch with them after the war was over.Their daughter, Mabel, grew up in Sheffield and in time, she married and had two children.

Some time in the early 1960s, my mother pointed out his name on the memorial in Middlesbrough. Cooper was her uncle - her father's eldest brother.

In the 1980s, when I started to play the concertina, she told me that there had been two of them in her house when she was growing up and that they had belonged to her uncle, Cooper.

I started researching my family history some years ago and at some point, I posted a photograph of Cooper, with his full name, onto the photo restoration boards here in Rootschat. A year or two later, I had a shocked reply from a new Rootschatter who had idly typed her grandfather's name into Google and found my post. The photograph which I had posted was one which she also had so there could be no doubt that we were talking about the same person. We chatted, discussed our lives and our families and reeled in astonishment when it turns out that we both play traditional and Morris music on the squeezebox and that for years, our paths have been crossing at one of our regular summer festivals. We decided that through Cooper, or Ernie as her family knew him, the music is in our genes!

Today, exactly one hundred years since his death, it seems a cruel irony that he was so close to leaving the army and to settling down to life with his wife and baby daughter but that, as a man who saw it as his duty to serve his country, he died at a time when people were still saying that the war would be over by Christmas.

As it is, I stand beneath the panel which bears his name whenever I go to the ceremony at the Menin Gate and shall do so again when I am there in December.












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Australia / Sydney Lory Williams - his Australian story needed please.
« on: Wednesday 08 October 14 13:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
This is a repeat of a request which I posted yesterday in the New Zealand boards. It seems that the man in question stayed in Australia after WW1 and lived with his wife and family in New South Wales - last known address in 1968, Macarthur - Unanderra - Panorama Drive. His funeral notice appears in newspapers in 1974.

I have had a lot of help from various people, following my original request but am now hoping to trace any descendants of Sydney Lory Williams, in the vague hope that he had either photographs or stories relating to my great-uncle.

This is what I posted originally....

I've been looking at my great-uncle's Australian WW1 service records as today is the 97th anniversary of his death in 1917.

In July 1916, he was recommended for the military medal for bravery, along with another man - Lance Corporal S.L. Williams. So I set off on a hunt to identify this man and am fairly sure that he was Sydney Lory Williams,  born c1890, son of the Reverend W.J. Williams of Christchurch New Zealand.

L/Cpl Williams was awarded the DCM for his actions at Pozières in 1916. For some reason, my great uncle, James Shaw Howe wasn't, though they were named together in the report.

I wonder if anyone has Sydney in their family tree and if so, are there any photographs of him during his military service. There is just the slimmest chance that two men who served side by side, might have been photographed together. I have no photograph of James so am clutching at straws but here, in the world of Rootschat, that isn't always such a silly thing to do!

Fingers crossed,

Here is a link to my post, so that nobody wastes time and effort repeating what others have already done for me....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=701666.0

If anyone can help with more of the Australian side of the story, I'd be hugely grateful.....

Thanks,

Jen :)

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