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Hi,

I am looking for information about Lizzie CODLING, who in 1881 was a servant in a London house, was born around 1862, and whose place of birth was given as Suffolk.

Her story, or the part that I am aware of, is a little complicated. On the 1881 Census, she was a servant in the household of a Louis BENOIT. He was described as a Lodging House Keeper. Louis at the time of the 1881 Census was 59 and married to wife Isabella. Lizzie, in 1881, was 19.

It's impossible at this distance from the events to know all the facts surrounding the story, but I am convinced that 59-year-old Louis fathered a child by 19-year-old Lizzie, a son, whose birth was registered by Lizzie, as Louis CODLING. This registration was in the 4th Qtr of 1881 and took place in the Marylebone District of London.

There is quite a bit more about Louis CODLING that I know, for instance, he didn't retain the CODLING name, and he didn't stay with Lizzie. After 1881, the first we hear of him again is in on the 1891 Census, when he is in the household of a widow, one Charlotte NUTKINS. There, he is 9-years-old and goes by the name of Louis BENOIT, being described as a Lodger. On the 1901 Census, he is still with Charlotte and is listed as 'Harry' NUTKINS, Grandson. He gets married in December 1901 and is married as Louis BENOIT. However, in 1909 he changes his name to Harry NUTKINS, and that is how he remains. He died comparatively young, in 1915.

Back to Lizzie! Looking on FreeBMD, Ancestry and Findmypast, I cannot find an 1862 birth for a 'Lizzie' CODLING, in Suffolk. I have however been able to discover a Caroline Elizabeth CODLING, born 1862, in the District of Wangford, Suffolk. Is this likely to be the 'Lizzie' who was in London in 1881?

Lizzie is not on a London Census after 1881, at least I cannot find her on one. Due to the circumstances, I am of the opinion that she likely went back to Suffolk, without son Louis! So what happened to her?

I have come across a marriage of a Lizzie CODLING, to a Frederick DENNY in the District of Wangford during the 2nd Qtr of 1885.

There is also a marriage of Caroline Elizabeth CODLING to a Robert Owen B Davis, in the District of Maldon, Essex, during the 4th Qtr of 1895.

I am in Derbyshire and am unfamiliar with families in Suffolk, but I wondered whether anyone might like to cast their eyes over the above information and let me know if they have any knowledge which might clarify if either of the above two marriages, or maybe even both, might be the Lizzie CODLING who was in London.

Any other knowledge or insights would also be useful. I am trying to construct a family tree for a friend, but this one is proving a little difficult.

I do hope someone might be able to help.

Your hopefully,

Alan

Hi,

I am looking for an Arthur Roe, who I assume to have been born in England, possibly in the County of Derbyshire. Currently I don't have a birth date for him. What I do have is a report of the death of his sister Hannah (born 15 July 1861 - Crich, Derbyshire, England), who married a George Hollingsworth 23rd April 1882, in Crich.

The following report is from The Chronicle-Telegram, Elyria, Ohio, dated Saturday 8 February 1936:

"Mrs HANNAH HOLLINGSWORTH

Amherst February 8. - Mrs Hannah Hollingsworth, 74, died at her home, 339 Cornell Ave Amherst. She was taken ill with a stroke of apoplexy at the dinner table and lived only a few minutes.
Mrs Hollingsworth was born in Derbyshire. She came to the U.S. 50 years ago and has lived at the present home for the past fourteen years.

She is survived by her husband George, one son Samuel of Elyria, four daughters, two brothers Arthur of Cleveland, Elias of Strongville, two sisters including Mary Roe, residing England."

Hannah [Roe] Hollingsworth and husband George arrived in the USA in 1888, and settled in South Amherst, Lorain County, Ohio.

I have found the record of brother Elias (born England 25 Oct 1872) in Strongsville, but presently 'brother' Arthur eludes me.

I would be grateful if anyone could spot him anywhere.

Regards,

Alan

Dear All,

I live in the UK, so please forgive a very basic question to those of you more familiar with how enumerators would list individuals on Census returns in the USA.

I have noted an entry for a 'Babe Slack' on the 1900 Census for Amherst, Lorain, Ohio. On the 1900 census she is noted as 6/12, indicating a birth towards the end of 1899. Her parents are Robert Slack, aged 38, and Lidia [Lydia] Slack aged 24. Siblings Clara and Robert are also listed. On the later 1910 Census, apart from parents Robert and Lydia, the only children listed are Clara, Robert Jnr and Anna Slack (age last birthday 10), which would perhaps indicate a birth date of around 1900.

My question is to ask, is use of the name 'Babe' just an indication of no name having been given to the child at that point (6 months old), or is it perhaps an enumerator's way of listing a young child under one year old?

My other thought is that perhaps 'Babe' on the 1900 is actually 'Anna' on the 1910. I would value the thoughts of other researchers who are more experienced with Census Returns in the USA.

With grateful thanks,

Alan

Hi,

I have a situation where my Great Grandmother, Emma Glossop, who was born in 1832, married my Great Grandfather, George Flint (bn. 1827), in 1847, when Emma would have been about 15. Would it have been likely that someone of that age would have been able to marry?

The situation is 'complicated' by the fact that Emma appears to have given birth to a son, John Flint, in 1846, before she married George, when she would only have been 14.

Son John, carried the name of Flint, seemingly on every Census I have looked at, allthough he was not baptised it would appear till 30th January 1848.

There may well have been embarassment over having given birth at such a very young age, and an element of the parents 'having' to marry when it was practical to do so.

Emma Glossop was born in Holloway, or at least that part which was in the Parish of Crich at the time. George, the apparent father, was born in Wessington, but the family later moved to Wakebridge, again in Crich Parish.

The wedding in 1847, and the baptism in 1848, both took place at Crich.

Various census records that I have looked at, if you calculate the birth date by using the Census year put John's birth year at 1847, 1848, or even on one Census 1849. But I presume that John must have known his actual birth year, because on his gravestone in the churchyard at Christ Church, Wessington, it does say 1846.

So there we have it, a bit of a mystery, but I would be intrigued to learn more about the apparent age at the time of the birth/marriage, and whether such a thing was ever possible.

Regards,

Alan

Hi,

I am struggling to find a 1920 USA Census Record for my 1st Cousin 1x Removed, and also a marriage record for her. Her details are:

Marjorie Anne Slack (or Margery)
Born: 5th June 1894
92, Spring Street, Oberlin, Lorain, Ohio

Parents: Joseph Slack & Elizabeth Ann Slack [nee Flint] (Emigrated from England, lived in Oberlin)

I have the 1900 and 1910 Census jnfo, when she was still with her parents. The 1920 census info is so far missing, but on the 1930 and 1940 Census I have her with husband Milton S. Hobson, living at 705, Crestview Avenue, in Akron, Ohio.

She evidently moved to Florida at some point, because that is where her death is recorded on the 19th December 1973, in Palm Beach.

So can anyone help point me to a marriage record, and to the 1920 Census info.

With grateful thanks .... in hope,

Alan
(still in Derbyshire, England)