Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Woodsd

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 ... 11
19
Along with some other Rootchat folk, I have been researching the Gilliland family from around Ballybay, co Monaghan.  The main thread can be found on the Monaghan forum under the title: Gilliland Conly Ballybay:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=281262.0

During research, I have ordered some Death Certificates which are not immediately relevant.  Here are the details, in case they can held someone else.

Jane Gilliland
Died: 25 March 1866 at Creeve, Ballybay
Widow
Aged 56 years
Labourer's widow
Cause of death: dropsy, 3 months
Registered by James Gilliland of Creeve

James Gilliland
Died: 17 September 1868 at Tullyvallan, Newtonhamilton
Married
Aged 69 years
Sculcher or Scutcher?
Cause of death: paralysis, 8 months
Registered by Jane Gilliland of Tullyvallan

Rachel Gilliland
Died 15 October 1868 at Tullyvallan, Newtonhamilton
Widow
Aged 64 years
Sculcher's widow
Cause of death: ascites and anasurca ??
Registered by Jane Gilliland of Tullyvallan

James Gilliland
Died 10 September 1878 at Creeve, Ballybay
Bachelor
Aged 76 years
Weaver
Cause of death: senile debility
Registered by James Gilliland of Creeve

Ann Gilliland
Died 13 May 1884 at Cabra, Hillsboro, Lisburn, co Down
Married
Aged 52 years
Wife of a farmer and grocer
Cause of death: probably apoplexy
Registered by Joseph Gilliland, Husband, of Cabra

Mary Gilliland
Died 23 February 1887 at Castleblaney Workhouse
Married
Aged 84 years
Wife of a labourer
Cause of death: apoplexy
Registered by Samuel Draffin, Occupier, Castleblayney Workhouse

George Gilliland
Died 11 April 1888 at Castleblaney Workhouse
Widower
Aged 70 years
Cause of death: pneumonia, 14 days
Registered by Samuel Draffin, Occupier, Castleblayney Workhouse

Joseph Gilliland
Died 21 February 1902 at Arclintagh
Married
Aged 91 years
Cause of death: Senile decay
Registered by Robert S Gilliland, Son, of Arclintagh


20
Thanks.  I'd not heard of that before.  I will follow your advice.

David

21
In doing research, I have obtained copies of death certificates for people who are not members of my family.  Here are the details, in case this might help someone else.

John Smith
21 October 1897 at Seaton
John Smith. Male, 65 years
Road Contractor
Cause: senile decay, cerebral softening
Informant: Ann Musgrave, daughter, 3 Albert Street, Workington

Mary Smith
19 July 1894 at New Yard, Workington
Mary Smith, Female, 62 years
Wife of Samuel Smith, an Ironworks Labourer
Cause: heart disease
Informant: Anthony Wear, Son, New Yard, Workington

Mary Smith
28 December 1895 at Helvellyn Street, Keswick
Mary Smith, Female, 65 years
Widow of Christopher Smith, Blacksmith Master
Cause: carcinoma peritoneal
Informant: Mary Ann Cartmel, Niece, Helvellyn Street, Keswick

22
Monaghan / Re: Gilliland Conly Ballybay
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 21:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hallmark

I actually came across it through a Google search on the surname and place, but here's the link:

http://www.monaghan.ie/en/services/library/newsarchive/

Try this too:

http://www.monaghan.ie/en/services/library/localhistory/indextoobituaries/

Hope that's helpful.

David

23
Monaghan / Re: Gilliland Conly Ballybay
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 20:28 GMT (UK)  »
Andy

Many thanks for sharing the story.  That sort of recollection makes genealogy so much more interesting than just a list of names and dates.

On the internet today, I came across an index of Death Notices and Obituaries from the newspaper The Northern Standard.  Joseph Gilliland of Ullinagh is listed for the edition of 16 August 1913, page 124.  I reckon this is Wild Joe.  Unfortunately, all I have is the index and not the actual notice.

Hope you have a successful trip to Ballybay.

Regards

David

24
Monaghan / Re: Gilliland Conly Ballybay
« on: Tuesday 08 March 16 20:12 GMT (UK)  »
Andy

If your grandfather was Ritchy Gilliland (in the census above from Ullinagh, and mentioned in "At the Ford of the Birches"), it seems pretty certain that you're the great-grandson of Joseph Gilliland.

Just to add to the information, here is the extract for that family from the 1901 census:

Ullinagh, Carrickatee, Castleyblayney
Joseph Gilliland, Head, Presbyterian, 46 years, Farmer, Married, born co Monaghan
Elizabeth Gilliland, Wife, Presbyterian, 47 years, [no occupation] Married, born co Monaghan
Andrew J Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 22 years, Farmer's son, Not married, born co Monaghan
Robena Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 16 years, Farmer's daughter, Not married, born co Monaghan
Agnes Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 14 years, Scholar, Not married, born co Monaghan
William Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 12 years, Scholar, Not married, born co Monaghan
Ricky Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 10 years, Scholar, Not married, born co Monaghan
Martin Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 4 years, Scholar, Not married, born co Monaghan.

I also have the death certificate for Joseph Gilliland's father, ie your great-great-grandfather (and my great-great-great-grandfather):

Joseph Gilliland
died 13 May 1887 at Aghmakerr
aged 72 years
widower
cause of death: vascual disease of heart and asthenia, 2 months
registered by Lizzie Gilliland (daughter-in-law) of Ullinagh who was in attendance during last illness.

(This was the Joseph Gilliland who married Ann Nelson, as mentioned above.)

And I have the death certificate for that Joseph Gilliland's mother, ie your great-great-great-grandmother (and my great-great-great-great-grandmother):

Jane Gilliland
died 26 December 1868 at Anniker
aged 86 years
Farmer's widow
cause of death: senile decay, 1 day, certified no medical attendant
registered by Joseph Gilliland, present at death, Lalonfasky.

(I have typed the spellings as written on the certificates.)

If you are willing to share, I would very much like to hear your family legend about the gaining of Ullinagh and the origins of the nickname "Wild Joe".

Best wishes

David

25
Monaghan / Re: Gilliland Conly Ballybay
« on: Sunday 06 March 16 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
For easy reference, I thought that it might be useful to record some of the census information here.  (I have quite a bit more than this, but these are the immediately relevant extracts.)

Here are the census records for George Gilliland and his wife Jane Turbitt (mentioned above, and at the very start of this thread)

Drumar, Ballybay Rural - 1901 census
George Gilliland, Head, Presbyterian, 50 years, Farmer & Blacksmith, Married, born Monaghan
Jane Gilliland, Wife, Presbyterian, 54 years, [No occupation], Married, born Monaghan
Ernest Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 18 years, Blacksmith, Not married, born Monaghan
Maggie Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 13 years, Scholar, Not married, born Monaghan
Florrie Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 10 years, Scholar, Not married, born Monaghan

Drumar, Ballybay Rural - 1911 census
George Gilliland, Head, Presbyterian, 65 years, Farmer, Married for 37 years, born Monaghan
Jane Gilliland, Wife, Presbyterian, 66 years, [No occupation], Married for 37 years, 8 children born alive & 5 still living, born Monaghan
Ernest Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 28 years, Sgt Farrier NIH, Single, born Monaghan (* see note below)
Maggie Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 23 years, [No occupation], born Monaghan
Florrie Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 19 years, [No occupation], born Monaghan
Ernest Gilliland, Grandson, Presbyterian, 9 years, Scholar, born Scotland.

(* Ernest Gilliland - I have a copy of the book "At the Ford of the Birches, The History of Ballybay, its People & Vicinity" by James H Murnane & Paedar Murnane.  The book includes a small blurred photograph of Ernest Gilliland leading an Orange Parade in Ballybay.  The book mentions that the Orange Lodge had supported a pipe band since the early 1920s and lists Richie Gilliland and Ernie Gilliland as banner bearers.  The book also lists Ernest Gilliland from Corfad as being a Sergeant Major in the NIH during the First World War.)

Census record for Joseph Gilliland and his wife Elizabeth Phillips (mentioned above) with the nephew of Jane Gilliland (nee Turbitt):

Ullinagh, Carrickatee - 1911 census
Joseph Gilliland, Head, Presbyterian, 59 years, Farmer, Married, born Monaghan
Lizzie Gilliland, Wife, Presbyterian, 61 years, [No occupation], Married for 36 years, 9 children born and 9 still alive, born Monaghan
William Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 21 years, Farmer's son, Single, born Monaghan
Agnes Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 23 years, Farmer's daughter, Single, born Monaghan
Ritchie Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 19 years, Farmer's son, Single, born Monaghan
Martin Gilliland, Son, Presbyterian, 13 years, Scholar, Single, born Monaghan
Eva Gilliland, Daughter, Presbyterian, 7 years, Scholar, Single, born Monaghan
Betty Reilly, Lodger, Roman Catholic, 81 years, Widow, born Monaghan
Thomas Turbitt, Visitor, Presbyterian, 17 years, Law Clerk General, Single, born Monghan.

As yet, I do not know who was the common ancestor to George Gilliland (husband of Jane Turbitt) and Joseph Gilliland (husband of Elizabeth Phillips).  As noted already, Susan (who started this thread) believes that George Gilliland's parents were John Gilliland and Margaret Maxwell.  Meanwhile, I know that Joseph Gilliland's parents were Joseph Gilliland and Ann Nelson.  But, undoubtedly, these families are closely related.

As mentioned before, Joseph Gilliland (husband of Elizabeth Phillips) was the brother of my great-great-grandmother Ann Gilliland who married George Woods.  By the time of the 1901 census, this Ann Gilliland (now Woods) was in Glasgow, with her son Thomas Woods listed as Head.  But the census return also records a Gilliland visitor:

40 Kent Street, Glasgow - 1901 census
Thomas Woods, Head, Single, 26 years, Police Constable, born Ireland
Anne Woods, Mother, Married, 47 years, Housekeeper, born Ireland
Letitia Woods, Sister, Single, 26 years, Assistant Housekeeper, born Ireland
Robert Woods, Brother, Single, 22 years, Mason's Labourer, born Ireland
George Woods, Brother, Single, 17 years, Cabinet Maker, born Ireland
Joseph Woods, Brother, Single, 15 years, Message Boy (General), born Ireland
William Woods, Brother, Single, 13 years, Scholar, born Ireland
Isaac Woods, Brother, 5 years, [No occupation], born Ireland
Robert Gilliland, Visitor, Single, 21 years, Police Constable, born Ireland.

So far, I have been unable to identify this Robert Gilliland.  I do not know who were this Robert's parents or what became of him.

As another side note, I have started a topic on this Monaghan forum about the family of Major David Nelson VC.  Some of the same families which are connected to the Gillilands are mentioned in that post too.

Hope all this is of interest and helps join up our missing links.

David

26
Monaghan / Re: Major David Nelson VC
« on: Sunday 28 February 16 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
A fellow Rootschatter has sent me a Personal Message on this topic.  From baptismal records of Cahans Presbyterian Church, she has managed to take the Nelson family back quite a bit further.  I have noted that information below.

Very many thanks to that fellow Rootschatter.

Regards

David

Robert Nelson married Agnes Alester
and had children:
Robert Nelson, born 6 October 1755 (great-grandfather of Major David Nelson) (see below)
Sarah Nelson, born May 1761
John Nelson, born 25 July 1772

Robert Nelson married Katrine Bradshaw
and had children:
Elizabeth Nelson, born 9 January 1790
Mary Nelson, born 29 February 1792
Lettice (Letitia) Nelson, born 23 August 1796
Robert Nelson, born 23 August 1799 (grandfather of Major David Nelson) (see below)
William Nelson, born 13 September 1800
Rachel Nelson, born 24 June 1805 (mentioned as being the sixth daughter)

Robert Nelson married Mary Lister
and had children:
George Nelson, born 24 April 1844 (father of Major David Nelson)
Robert Nelson, born 26 April 1846


27
Cumberland / Re: John Smith, Mariner, born c 1833 at Whitehaven
« on: Thursday 25 February 16 20:07 GMT (UK)  »
Following my post above, here are the birth, marriage and death records, as well as census returns.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE
James Smith (son of John Smith)
born 21 December 1867 at Martin’s Lane, Workington
father: John Smith (seaman merchant service)
mother: Mary Smith formerly Watkins
registered by Mary Smith (mother) of Martin’s Lane, Workington
registered: 8 January 1868
 
MARRIAGE RECORDS
John Smith & Mary Watkins (marriage of John Smith)
married 9 April 1850 at St Andrew, Dublin
witnesses: John Byrne & Elizabeth Watkins
[per church records website – no marriage certificate at GRO]
 
Evan Jones & Elizabeth Watkins (sister of John Smith’s wife)
married 24 August 1850 at St Mark, Dublin
Evan Jones (mariner) widower of George’s Quay
father: John Jones, Ship Broker
Elizabeth Watkins (no occupation) spinster of James Place
father: James Watkins, Mariner
witnesses: John White (for husband) & Edward Fox (for wife)

Joseph Stewart & Mary Smith (daughter of John Smith)
married 24 September 1883 at Church of St John
Joseph Stewart (bricklayer) bachelor aged 21 years of 12 John Street
father: James Stewart (mason)
Mary Smith (no occupation) spinster aged 21 years of Pinfold
father: John Smith (sailor)
witnesses: James Stewart & Bridget Stewart [left her mark]

DEATH CERTIFICATES
Mary Watkins (John Smith’s mother-in-law)
died 27 July 1875 at 16 Iron Works, Seaton
aged 75 years
widow of James Watkins (seaman, merchant service)
cause: vascular disease, dropsy 3 months
registered by Mary Smith [left mark] (daughter) of 2 Beck Side, Workington
registered: 28 July 1875
 
Mary Smith (daughter of John Smith)
died 27 September 1931 at 1.40 am at 109 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow
aged 71 years
widow of Joseph Stewart (brick layer)
cause: cerebral haemorrhage 1 day
father: John Smith (seaman, merchant service) deceased
mother: Elizabeth Smith ms Watkins, deceased
registered by Arthur Stewart (son)

CENSUS RETURNS
1861 – 59 Finkle (?) Street, Workington (wife of John Smith and children)
Mary Smith, Wife, Married, aged 29 years, Mariner’s Wife, born Ireland, Dublin
John Smith, Son, aged 8 years, born Workington
Elizabeth Smith, Daughter, 3 years, born Workington
Mary Smith, Daughter, aged 1 year, born Workington
 
1871 – 2 Beck Street, Workington (wife of John Smith and children)
Mary Smith, Head, Married, aged 37 years, Mariner’s Wife, born Ireland
Elizabeth Smith, Daughter, aged 13 years, born Workington
Mary Smith, Daughter, aged 11 years, born Workington
Christopher Smith, Son, aged 7 years, born Workington
Rossaman Smith, Daughter, aged 5 years, born Workington
James Smith, Son, aged 3 years, born Workington
Catharine Smith, Daughter, aged 1 years, born Workington
Michael McClean, Boarder, Unmarried, aged 38 years, Labourer at Iron Works, born Ireland
 
1871 – 19 Bell Street, Workington (sister of John Smith’s wife, and mother-in-law of John Smith)
Elizabeth Jones, Head, Widow, aged 38 years, Spirit Sales, born Ireland
Betsy Ann Jones, Daughter, Unmarried, aged 16 years, born Ireland
Evan Jones, Son, aged 10 years, born Workington
Mary Watkins, Lodger, Widow, aged 78 years, born Ireland
Jonah Lewis, Lodger, Widower, aged 44 years, Labourer Iron Works, born Cardiganshire
James McGrah, Lodger, Unmarried, aged 20 years, Labourer Gas Works, born Ireland
 
1881 – 2 Beck Side, Workington (John Smith, wife and children)
John Smith, Head, Married, 48 years, Labourer at Iron Works, born Ireland
Mary Smith, Wife, Married, 47 years, no occupation, born Ireland
Mary Smith, Daughter, Unmarried, 19 years, Servant Domestic, born Ireland
James Smith, Son, aged 13 years, Scholar, born Ireland
Kate Smith, Daughter, aged 11 years, Scholar, born Ireland
Betsy A Smith, Daughter, aged 9 years, born Ireland
Margaret A Smith, Daughter, aged 7 years, born Ireland
Clara Smith, Daughter, aged 1 year, born Workington
 
1881 – 8 Bell’s Lane, Workington (sister of John Smith’s wife)
Elizabeth Jones, Head, Widow, aged 52 years, no occupation, born Ireland
John Jones, Son, Unmarried, aged 23 years, Furnace man at Iron Works, born Workington
James McQuirk Boards, Unmarried, aged 40 years, Labourer, born Ireland
 
1891 – 128 John Street, Workington (John Smith, wife and children)
John Smith, Head, Married, aged 60 years, Mariner, born Whitehaven
Mary Smith, Wife, Married, aged 62 years, no occupation, born Ireland
James Smith, Son, aged 22 years, no occupation, born Workington
Margaret Smith, Daughter, aged 16 years, born Workington
 
1891 – 128 John Street, Workington (son-in-law, daughter and grandchildren of John Smith)
Joseph Stewart, Head, Married, aged 28 years, Bricklayer, born Workington
Mary Stewart, Wife, Married, aged 29 years, no occupation, born Workington
Clara Stewart, Daughter, aged 11 years, born Workington
Margaret Stewart, Daughter, aged 7 years, born Workington
Mary Stewart, Daughter, aged 5 years, born Workington
Ethel Stewart, Daughter, aged 2 years, born Workington

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 ... 11