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Cheshire / Re: Information for BIKO saw your post for WORRALL marriages
« on: Thursday 10 April 08 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Ooh and the plot thickens.

I just did a search on 1901 Census site...I was originally doing place/street address search for my kids school that will be 100yrs old this year. Anyway with the left over credits I thought I would search my Peter Worrall in the 1841census.

I actually found one (apparently born in Lancashire) with a father Joseph who was not born in the county.

All the clues suggest this is my Peter, in 41 he is a joiners apprentice. Fathers a Carter and there is a brother Thomas.

They all live literally around the corner from where my Peter lives at the time of his wedding 1843 occupation joiner. By 1851 he is a carpenter.

What is strange is that this family does not turn up on the Ancestry site..I have searched for them all individually and nothing.

Cheshire / Re: Information for BIKO saw your post for WORRALL marriages
« on: Tuesday 08 April 08 07:40 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Crystal, got your pm

No there is no connection, well none known yet.
I have come across your Peter and Sarah Anne Oakes lot's of times, they were on my radar in the early days.

My Cheshire Peter ends up in Manchester and marries in 1843

Thank You anyway.


Cheshire / Re: Cheshire Parish Records Marriages only pre 1837
« on: Friday 04 April 08 12:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi Chris

Would be grateful if you could look up a Joseph Worrall for me. Unfortunately that is all I have, other then his son Peter Worrall was born about 1819-23c in Kingsley, Cheshire. So my Joseph is probably from that area also.

Grateful for anything you can provide


Lancashire / Re: Manchester Barracks ca 1825
« on: Wednesday 19 March 08 15:21 GMT (UK)  »
There are also the University Barracks, on Bondary Lane, Greenheys (which borders Hulme)

Not sure how old they are or if they fell under the boundary of Hulme, All Saints or Greenheys.

Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Wednesday 12 March 08 09:18 GMT (UK)  »
Yes that is the same Welcomb St and it did go through to Chester St originally.
Found Bell St, its on the other side of Oxford Rd, but also flattened by the Mancunian Way. On this map extract look for the crossroads of York St and Sidney St (both still standing in part), its near there.
 :) Barbara

Sorry BarbaraH

I became so engrossed in the map I forgot to say thank you.

Yes I can see Bell St and also Cooke St where they lived at the time of another census.
Looking at the Map last week I was taken back to my childhood and remembered coming  from town on a bus along Oxford Rd with my Nan and her saying as we reached Booth st that she grew up around there...I also found Cowcil st on your map where my Nan  was born.

Until seeing your map,  I had forgotten that memory.
I also located Violet St in the 1861 Enumerators description

Once again thank you

And thank you also Bill. The Junction pub is still standing as are the old BBC & Hip buildings. I only knew the area after the first clearence but they serve as landmarks and a comfort in  an area that as once again changed beyond recognition.

If anyone eles as any more old maps of Hulme, Chorlton upon Medlock, All Saints, Greenheys areas,  keep them coming. They really do help with research.

Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Monday 03 March 08 23:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Bill

Maybe you can help me. Do you recall the Junction pub, which is still standing despite everything.  Not far from the old BBC studio and Hippodrome.  What I want to know is what street it was on before the 'distruction' of old Hulme...was it on or anywhere near Junction St? I was always useless at geography but I am guessing that it's entrance doors (there are  two) were on Warde St, And part of it's frontage was on Dunham St.

The comment about your wife insisting Moss Side was Whalley Range made me laugh. I know lot's of people who do that.

Oh and thanks for clearing up Rockdove for me, it doesn't appear on the Scot Landcare Map 

Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Thursday 28 February 08 17:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the details Barbarah and the link to the site. Your map on there as been really useful.

If you look under Humbersite Ave on my map you will see Welcome St, is this the same one? It could possibly have junctioned with Chester St.

Chances are the flats on Humbersite,  Hunmanby and Rockdove (just after Leaf St),  were in the process of being built. Funny I always  thought that they were pre-war...they've got that style.

You wouldn't happen to know where Bell St, Chorlton on Medlock  1880's was?


Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Wednesday 13 February 08 10:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thank You Barbarah

Yes I have located Pomona St on your map.  But on the map I have it doesn't exisit. I have a Marshland St that runs between Willmot St and Cambridge St and above that Hulme St.

It's made me really curious about the dates of my map as I know that my ancestors gave Pomona St as an address in 1873.

Also on the map I have Chester St ends at Leaf St (we used to walk there for swimming, from Holy Name School up by the dental hsp. My children's school hire a coach to travel half that distance-make em walk, I say) With Hunmanby and Humbersite Avenues directly behind Leaf St.  Welcomb St is a continuation of Humbersite Ave over  Claredon St. and becomes Dunham St once you cross over Stretford Rd.

I am guessing my map is from the early 1900's maybe just a little earlier.

Its funny but all my family still live in Manchester (a few have even moved into those fancy 'appartments' in Hulme, ain't that ironic) Whenever I visit I have to drive around Hulme and  under the Mancunian way to visit my son in Salford.

Once again Thank You

Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Tuesday 12 February 08 17:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello BarbarraH

I hope you don't mind but I can't read the map you provided. Could you look up Violet St for me. apparently my Peter Worrall was living there in 1841. I know that he was living in William St in 1843 which falls into the infamous 'Little Ireland' area and I suspect Violet St is not to far away. My Peter Worrall was also a Joiner/Carpenter.

I do have a readable map of the Hulme area but not sure for what years it is covering Also, the area around little Ireland falls off the page I can view as far as the start of Lower Chatham St. to the Junction of Devonshire St

Would I be pushing it if I asked if you could also look for Panoma Sq/place/st, Hulme. The map I have doesn't seem to cover it although it covers the area I suspect it should be (around the docks) I have connections there from 1873.

If you can just give me ideas of where these streets are (closest main roads/st)

Thanking you in advance


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