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Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« on: Tuesday 15 November 05 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I hope that some very knowleagable person can help-before I go bonkers searching all the WW1 sites.  My G Grandad, George Wilshaw served with The Lancashire Fusiliers 18th Batallion- he died on the 1.6.1918 and is buried in Martinsart Cemetery.  I have his medal card but his service record was destroyed.  I keep searching but can't find which battle the 18th Batallion were fighting in June - any help or links would be very much appreciated.

Many Thanks for your time

Fiona
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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 16:30 GMT (UK) »
you can stop going bonkers fiona,he was killed in the fighting for aveluy wood,it was a death trap for the little fellows but they made the germans pay in the end,the 18th were a bantam battalion,made up of little fellows,small in stature but massive in courage.if these are his parents,edward+fanny,then these are his siblings
sisters alice,emily,sarah and mary,he was born in droylsden/openshaw area,all his family worked in the cotton industry,mack
the correct name for his battalion was the 2nd south east lancs bantams.
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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 16:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi Fiona - heres your battalion!

The Lancashire Fusiliers
18th (Service) Battalion (2nd South-East Lancashire)
Formed in Bury, 13 January 1915, by Lieut-Col. G.E.Wike and a Committee, as a Bantam Bn. 21 June 1915 : attached to 104th Brigade, 35th Division.

The 35th Division
The origianl Divisional symbol was a fighting cock
A New Army Division; a Bantam formation
Summary history of the division
 
Raised for the Fifth New Army, originally designated 42nd Division. The Brigades were numbered 125, 126 and 127. When the original Fourth New Army was broken up to replace casualties in the first three, Fifth became Fourth and this Division adopted the designation 35th. This was on 27 April 1915. Many of the battalions had been raised as bantam units.

After initial training without equipment or uniform, at billets close to home, the Division began to concentrate in Yorkshire with HQ at Masham, in June 1915. In Augus, the troops moved to Salisbury Plain. HQ moved initially to Marlborough but was moved to Chiseldon (14 September) and Cholderton (11 October 1915). In late 1915, orders werereceived to prepare to move to Egypt, but this was soon countermanded.

The Division moved to France in late January and early February 1916. It remained on the Western Front for teh remainder of the war, taking part in the following actions:

The Battle of Albert (first phase of the Battle of the Somme 1916)

In December 1916, the Divisional commander (Major-General Landon) reported that the Division was now suffering from low physical and morale standards. This was a result of replacing casualties not with fit 'bantams' but with undersized and weak men. Medical inspections were ordered, and 2784 men rejected from teh ranks of the Division. These men were largely posted to the Labour Corps. Their places were filled with men posted from disbanded yeomanry regiments; they had to be quickly trained in infantry methods and a Divisional depot was formed for the purpose.

The German Retreat to the Hindenburg Line

The Second Battle of Passchendaele (eighth phase of the Third Battle of Ypres)

The First Battle of Bapaume (second phase of the First Battles of the Somme 1918)

The Battle of Ypres 1918

The Battle of Courtrai

The Division also fought in the subsequent Action of Tieghem. On 9 November 1918, the advanced units of the Division had made a foothold on the far bank of the River Schelde near Berchem. They pushed forward, and had captured Grammont and reached the line of the River Dendre when the armitice halted the fighting at 11am on 11 November 1918.

The Division was withdrawn towards Ypres, and by 2 December 1918 was near St-Omer. Here it began to demobilise. In January 1919, the Division was celled upon to quell rioting in the camps at Calais.

The 35th Division ceased to exist by the end of April 1919, having suffered casualties (killed, wounded and missing) of 23,915 during the war.

These are the battles fought by the Lancashire Fusiliers - I'm still trying to find which one!!

Mack will probably pop up in a minute!!!!!

The Great War (30 battalions):  Le Cateau, Retreat from Mons, Marne 1914, Aisne 1914 '18, Armentières 1914, Ypres 1915 '17 '18, St. Julien, Bellewaarde, Somme 1916 '18, Albert 1916 '18, Bazentin, Delville Wood, Pozières, Ginchy, Flers-Courcelette, Morval, Thiepval, Le Transloy, Ancre Heights, Ancre 1916 '18, Arras 1917 '18, Scarpe 1917 '18, Arleux, Messines 1917, Pilckem, Langemarck 1917, Menin Road, Polygon Wood, Broodseinde, Poelcappelle, Passchendaele, Cambrai 1917 '18, St. Quentin, Bapaume 1918, Rosières, Lys, Estaires, Hazebrouck, Bailleul, Kemmel, Béthune, Scherpenberg, Amiens, Drocourt-Quéant, Hindenburg Line, Épéhy, Canal du Nord, St. Quentin Canal, Courtrai, Selle, Sambre, France and Flanders 1914-18, Doiran 1917, Macedonia 1915-18, Helles, Landing at Helles, Krithia, Suvla, Landing at Suvla, Scimitar Hill, Gallipoli 1915, Rumani, Egypt 1915-17


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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 17:59 GMT (UK) »
Mack, thanks so much for taking the time to look for me - his parents were Enoch (not a family name I'm going to continue with!) and Catherine - Maybe, I have the wrong line(I hope not!) as all the blokes in our family are 6 footers, so that's interesting.  I must have been looking in all the wrong places-thanks again for all your help and stopping me going bonkers!

Annie, thanks for suggesting that I put a post on here-and thanks for replying.  It's very much appreciated.  Wow, so much information - where was I looking?  And I have looked and looked and looked.  I am going to go to The Lancs Fusiliers Museum next week, I never even knew there was one and it's only down the road from me.

Thankyou both again- I can't tell you how much a labour of love this is for me- a long story but George left 4 kids who all were sent to orphanges-one being my Grandad who spent most of his life tracking down his family (didn't document anything) - but did find and visit his Dad's grave in France- I have traced back now to 1760-but haven't been able to find anything about my Grandads siblings lives-sorry I'm rambling

Many many thanks- I will study it when I haven't a 3 yr old sat on my knee!

Much appreciated - Fiona
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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 18:15 GMT (UK) »


Fiona!

Is this a relative ?

Private Frederick Wilshaw
25476, 18th Bn., Lancashire Fusiliers
who died
on 30 July 1916
Thiepval Memorial

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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi annie, thanks for taking the time to reply- I have also come across this info and yes I think that possibly this is George's brother-below is the census for 1901, so seems about the right age- the very sad thing is,  that I found that my grandad had a very large family living in the Openshaw area - how on earth could they let four small children go into orphanges - v sad-obviously a very different time!  Apologies, that I have to keep coming off line - family to feed, give my life to etc etc etc and on and on and on
1901

Ada Willshaw 23  Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter  South Manchester  Lancashire   
Catherine Willshaw 51  Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife  South Manchester  Lancashire
Enoch Willshaw 57  North staffordshire Head  South Manchester  Lancashire 
Frederick Willshaw 10  Manchester, Lancashire, England Son  South Manchester  Lancashire 
George Willshaw 21  Manchester, Lancashire, England Son  South Manchester  Lancashire   
Gertrude Willshaw 13  Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter  South Manchester  Lancashire   
Louisa Willshaw 16  Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter  South Manchester  Lancashire   
Minnie Willshaw 17  Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter  South Manchester  Lancashire   


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Patrick Coventry, Warwick, Foleshill
Kelly Dronmore County Down & Manchester
Stewart  Hilsborough County Down & Manchester
Moffatt/Moffitt County May &, Lancashire

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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Just googled Aveluy Wood, Martinsart - came up with Lancashire Dump - I don't like that, how awful.
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Re: Which battle? 1.6.1918-Lancs Fusliers
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 19:19 GMT (UK) »


I know - sounds awful!!

I was just checking the 1901 census  of the family Mack mentioned - I was wondering if maybe they were related! .... have you checked them?

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 19:48 GMT (UK) »
No, Annie I haven't - I have gone backwards on just one line and I am now starting again from the beginning and I am discovering that there was a huge family in Openshaw - if you don't mind I would be very grateful if you would send me the details of the family that you have found in 1901, as there is bound to be a connection somewhere.  My old Grandad would have been amazed at the amount of family he had!

Many Thanks again

Fiona
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Wilshaw Staffordshire & Manchester
Pugh Manchester, Haston, Hadwell, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Patrick Coventry, Warwick, Foleshill
Kelly Dronmore County Down & Manchester
Stewart  Hilsborough County Down & Manchester
Moffatt/Moffitt County May &, Lancashire