Emma HAMLIN

[janan]

Hi Emma

Have you found out anymore about your Emma Hamlin and family?

I didn't realise it was 2006 that we last spoke  

Jan

[merrywoods]

Hi Jan, thank you so much!  Really hoping I may find out some information that I thought beyond my capabilities at the moment.  Still getting used to the whole genealogy website  protocol and practices - guess I'll learn as I go. cheers!

[merrywoods]

Hi Emma, thank you for your reply  - I'm in Australia so I don't really understand how close one place is to another (I do look them up on a Map most times) - but may be mistakenly naming a church as a parish or village. In Australia there are such long distances and relatively few people.  I thought that because James' wife was from Maidenhead which seemed relatively close to Beenham that he might have come from there originally.  If you do "happen" upon  a connection in your travels I'd be grateful if you let me know.  "Cheeseman" is obviously a more common name than I knew!  Good luck in your searching! Cheers

[philipsearching]

Eleven years on, how is the search going?

It seems as though you have focussed the search away from Devon and towards London

Hi, Jan.  Got down to the London Metropolitan Archives, finally, and found the entry for William Hamlyn's marriage at Old Church, St Pancras.  It reads as follows:
William Hamlyn, Widower of this Parish, and Johanna Sullivan, Spinster of this parish, were married by Banns 6 Aug 1834.  Both signed (i.e., were literate).  The witnesses were Elizabeth Ridge and Jane Keane.  No mention of occupation, alas.

Just to clarify the Devon William and Johanna (my ancestors, but your red herring?):
William HAMLYN (1769-?) married Johanna HENLEY (1776-?) 29 Mar 1796 Torquay St Mary
their son William HAMLIN (1801-1846) married Sarah BENNET (d1881) 23 Mar 1830 Moreton Hampstead.
William and Sarah are buried in Bovey Tracey - the gravestone survives.

I appreciate that this may not help your search, but it could help other Hamlyn hunters.

Philip

[Dizzy Escape]

I'm sorry - this is a very late reply!

Thank you for enquiring. As it happens, I've recently made a breakthrough with this couple. I found a detailed account of them in Ancestry's Poor Law records from the London Metropolitan Archives. There is a postscript appended to the parish's consideration of Johanna Sullivan's case explaining that she had her two daughters, Ann (1832) and Emma (1834) out of wedlock, but both were the daughters of William Hamlyn, whom she subsequently married in St Pancras Old Church in August 1834. He was a widower at that point, so perhaps he only married her when he was free to do so. By 1940 William and Johanna were both in St Giles in the Fields workhouse. The two girls were in Acton and Shoreditch (I know Emma was at the Shoreditch nursery for poor children). William died in the workhouse in January 1843, so appears in the 1841 census. But I can't find Johanna Hamlyn in 1841 or in any remarriage or death records, so I'm still at a loss as to her age and place of birth and parentage - just as I still have no idea where William was born.

Thanks for your continuing interest after all these years! Emma

[janan]

Glad to hear you've had another breakthrough Emma
Jan

[Dizzy Escape]

Further developments!
I've realised that William Hamlyn, butcher of Seven Dials, London, was not one and the same as William Henry Hamlyn, butcher of Seven Dials, London (as is assumed by everyone else on Ancestry etc). William Henry Hamlyn was William Hamlyn's son. Everything makes sense now. William Henry Hamlyn was baptised at St Giles in the Fields in 1810, the second child of William and Grace Hamlyn. He later married Sarah Carr and emigrated in about 1840 (possibly when his father went into the workhouse) to Quebec and had most of his children there.

So I've been searching for a William Hamlyn marriage to a Grace prior to their first child being born in 1808 and the only one I can find is in Wembury in Devon in December 1800 - to a Grace Cornish. He remarried in 1834 - to Johanna Sullivan. Elsewhere on Rootschat I've posted a request for handwriting experts who might be able to decide whether the two signatures of William Hamlyn are written by the same hand. Of course, with 34 years between them, there was plenty of time for alteration, but my hunch is that it is one and the same man, although I will have to account for the gap between the marriage and their first child being born in 1808.

The other thing I now know about him is that he had a brother, Henry, in whose house his second child by Johanna, prior to their marriage, was born. I might add that we already know that William was not born in Middlesex (1841 census).

If I am right about the signatures, William was from Plymouth.

[janan]

Great to see all the discoveries you have made recently. I hope Johanna turns up at some point!
Jan