1841 / 1851 Census Look Up Please

[Capetown]

Looking at the Forest of Dean Forum:
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823

This would seem another daughter (may be two) of Samuel VICK at Tetbury

8 December 1826

Robert BUTLER aged 20, batchelor, of Tetbury

Mary Ann VICK aged 19, spinster of Tetbury

Bride Fathers Surname: VICK
Bride Fathers Forename: Samuel

he signs

Marriage Allegation

Memoranda: sworn before Thos COOK to marry in the parish church of Tetbury

Transcriber's Notes: Sarah BUTLER, mother of Robert BUTLER his father being dead and Samuel VICK give consent.

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and  from the same records

18 December 1826

James MELSOME aged 19 bachelor, Baker of Tetbury

Mariah VICK - aged 24, spinster, of Tetbury

he signs

Memoranda: sworn before Wm FRYER to marry in the parish church of Tetbury

and

23 April 1829

Benjamin VICK aged over 21, Bachelor of Tetbury
Jane VIGER aged over 21, Spinster of Tetbury
Marriage by Licence
He signs

Memoranda: swon before J H PYE to marry at Tetbury


Thomas VICK married Emma BINGLE at Tetbury 17 March 1836.

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Gloucestershire Burial Index CD after 1813

at Tetbury

Benjamin VICK - 10 January 1839 aged 35
Frederick VICK - 14 April 1844 aged 2 weeks
Jane VICK - 29 April 1833 - aged 29
Joseph VICK - 8 February 1814 aged 43 (c1771)

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Robert (occupation Butcher) & Mary Anne (or Marianne) BUTLER

children christened at Tetbury

William - 30 November 1827 (with Samuel VICK 1841 census)
Ellen Jane - 8 August 1830
Charles - 17 October 1831 (buried at Tetbury, 21 October 1831 aged 6 week)
Emma - 24 December 1834


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by 1841 Tetbury:  Mary Ann VICK/BUTLER is now NEEMS

Mary Ann NEEMES - 30-34 born Gloucestershire
Mary Ann NEEMES - 2
Frances NEEMES - 1
Timothy NEEMES - 40-44
Ellen BUTLER - 11
Emma BUTLER - 7

GloucestershireBMD

Timothy NEEMS married Mary Ann BUTLER - at Tetbury St Mary the Virgin 1838

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James & Mariah (Maria) had one child christened at Tetbury

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? may be a family connection (on the Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD after 1813)

Christened at Stroud St Lawrence (residence: Chipping Sodbury)

John Leopold VICK - parents : John (Cooper) & Elizabeth

born 25 January 1795, christened 12 June 1818

Harriett VICK is on the 1851 census at Chipping Sodbury visiting Nathaniel MILLS family


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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800

Grooms: VICK

at RANDWICK, Glos

Emmanuel - to Elizabeth 2 June 1755
James - Mary BENNETT - 24 October 1797
James - Elizabeth PEARCE - 25 June 1799
Joseph - Sarah PEARCE - 30 Dec 1782 ()
Thomas - Hannah CHANDLER - 25 February 1788
William of Stonehouse - Mary MERRETT - 18 June 1773
William - Rachel PERKES -12 July 1793


at NORTON Glos

VICK

William - Mary DOBBINS by Licence - 12 May 1778


at BERKELEY, Glos

VICK

John - Bridget SANIGER - 16 June 1698


at CHURCHDOWN, Glos

VICK

John - Mary BUBB by Licence - 18 Nov 1760

at BISLEY, Glos

VICK

John - Mary WIER - 4 Jane 1773

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Just wonder the profession of the Groom has been transferred incorrectly on this marriage licence - or Samuel become a Cooper

and a wittness was Henry JENNINGS of Randwick, Maltster


2 May 1807

Samuel VICK, profession: Clothier of King Stanley
Sarah JENNINGS - spinster of Randwick

marriage by Bond
he signs

The groom and Henry JENNINGS are bound to the sum of £200 to marry at King Stanley.


On the Forest of Dean records - Marriage Allegations etc - many VICK's are listed.

incl

2 Mar 1824

Samuel VICK, aged 30 - bachelor, carpenter and joiner of Randwick
Mary STEPHENS - over 21 - of Stonehouse

to marry at Stonehouse


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Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database - the VICK's of Randwick were non-conformists

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Tetbury Gell & Bradshaw Directory 1820

Samuel VICK - Cooper


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British Newspapers on Line: Gloucestershire Journal - Monday 10 October 1814

Tetbury 'occupied by Samuel VICK Cooper together with such piece ground allotted the same, and subject the right way of'

[JohninSussex]

Just as a matter of interest Capetown, are you providing all that information for the member who raised the original enquiry in 2005 and hasn't been on Rootschat for over ten years, or for the new member Nicola who wanted to contact her after all this time?

[nicjk]

Thanks so much Capetown.  I have managed to compile some of this information already.  I was hoping to touch base with Suzanne as she may already have answers to my questions.
However, you may be able to assist further.  Still trying to link some family members together.

My GGGG grandfather is John Vick.  Found his baptism (as an adult - age 22) as 30 November 1827, in Tetbury.   Parents are listed as Samuel & Sarah Vick. 
Siblings Sarah (age 18), Joseph (aged 9) and Harriet (age 6) are also baptised on the same day.

I have located baptism for Maria Vick as 9 August 1802, in Chipping, Sodbury and Mary Ann Vick as 12 June 1823 (I believe this could be an adult baptsim) in Aynho, Northamptonshire.

A write up in the Chletenham Chronicle - 4 Jan 1827 confirms that Mary Ann is the second daughter of Samuel Vick, cooper.  She marries Robert Butler. 
Robert dies in 1835 leaving Mary Ann with four children.  Mary Ann remarries Timothy Neems.

Maria marries James Melsome (Milsom) in 1826.  James dies in 1833 and Maria marries Thomas Stubbs.

The mysteries I am trying to solve are:

(1)Benjamin Vick is a witness at Maria Vick's marriage to James Melsome.  Benjamin marries Jane Vizer in Bristol on 10 May 1829.  They have two children Robert (1830) and Henry Vizer (1832).  Jane dies in 1833 and Benjamin dies in 1839 aged 35.
I have only been able to confirm the marriage date from Ancestry.com.  Not able to find a baptism entry for Benjamin, and he is not around for the 1841 census.
Is Benjamin a son of Sarah & Samuel Vick??

(2)I also have another Samuel Vick that I am trying to confirm belongs to Sarah & Samuel.  Have not been able to find a baptism record. 
Samuel marries Eliza Mitchell in Somerset on 23 April 1833.  Writing is a bit difficult to read, but believe it is Sarah Vick (sister) that is a witness.  Future census information states he is from Tetbury, occupation a Tailor.

(3)Sarah Vick, the mother.  Does not show in the 1841 census.  So looking for death date prior to 1841?

(4)Sarah, the daughter.  Again not able to find in census, nor any marriage or death entry.  I have found a newspaper article from the Gloucestershire Chronicle 25 April 1835, stating a "Sarah Vick was found dead in her bed".  (This article could be either mother or daughter)
A Sarah Lock does sign as witness to Harriet Vick's marriage to William Rees in 1855.  Unable to confirm who she is.

(5)Assumption has been made that the Sarah Jennings & Samuel Vick marriage in 1807 are the parents.  However what does not fit is both Maria & Benjamin (if he fits this family) are born before 1807. 

Any assistance on these sticking points would be very much appreciated.

Regards

Nicola

[Capetown]

I think the witnesses at Harriet VICK's marriage to William REES in 1855 is not Sarah LOCK, but possibly Sarah COOK.

On Gloucestershirebdm

There is a birth of a Samuel COOK - mother's maiden name : VICK
District Stroud 1843

Had a quick look at my Marriage Index CD

and at RANDWICK - 8 October 1826

Samuel COOKE married Elizabeth VICK

Children christened at Randwick St John (CD1813-1837)

Samuel (dyer's labourer) & Elizabeth

Esther - 7 June 1829 - residence: OCKERHILL
Eliza - 29 July 1827 - residence: OCKERHILL
Elizabeth - 5 May 1833 - ditto
Samuel - 20 March 1836 - residence: Randwick, Prospect Buildings.

1841 Census Stroud Glos

Caldwell

Samuel COOK - 40-44 born Gloucestershire
Elizabeth COOK - 35-39
Eliza COOK - 15-19
Esther COOK - 10
Joseph VICK - 20-24






and before that

Solomon COOK married Sarah VICK at Stroud - 5 October 1806.


Hope this helps???

[Capetown]

Looking at Gloucestershirebmd

Samuel VICK died aged 69 1843 Tetbury c1774

Family Search

Samuel VICK christened at Randwick 19 March 1775, parents: John VICK & Eliz

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By Googling:

Samuel COOKE Elizabeth VICK Randwick

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The London Gazette (article dated 25 day of March 1815)

Quite a long article on page 636 - just quote a piece....

Notice to the residuary legatees of Mrs Hannah WHITE, deceased, Oxford Spinster

George HARMER of Randwick Gloucestershire and his wife,
George Joseph HARMER son of William HARMER
brother to the said George HARMER
Ann PIERCE of Westrip, Gloucester, Widow and her children,
the children of the late Ann MILLS, sister of Deborah WHITE
the children of the late Elizabeth VICK daughter of the late Testatrix's Uncle Thomas COOKE
the children of the late Solomon COOKE, brother of the said Elizabeth VICK.... etc...


Looking at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database George HARMER is also non-conformists - and think his two marriages are on the Forest of Dean Licence records.

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Old Gloucestershire Diary - John & Marion Hearfield

'22 June 1858

John VICK and 4 grandchildren, HARMER and his wife and 7 children, DYER and his wife and 7 children left Stroud for America'

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There is a burial at Gloucester Southgate non-conformist 8 August 1843 (no age) of a Sarah VICK - but looking at Gloucestershirebmd Sarah was aged 77  Gloucester St John the Baptist (c1766)

[Capetown]

Have you used on Ancestry

'All UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 and searched for VICK in Gloucestershire'  or Gloucestershire Wills

As Samuel VICK was a Cooper (a family tradition in families, as was the case in my husband's lineage for many generations in Cirencester ).... and in my lineages, Wheelwrights again in Gloucestershire,  I have found useful information this way.

e.g. Searching for VICK in  Chipping Sodbury Gloucestershire

Master's Name: John VICK - residence, Chipping Sodbury 1783
Apprentice Name: Moses AMOS

another Apprentice in 1797, John D THOMAS
and another in 1801, Henry BATEMAN

in 1803 at Chipping Sodbury,
Wm STEPHENS had Josh VICK as an Apprentice

If you transcribe to Ancestry, you can open the view the images and see the occupations they are apprenticed to.

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A Saml VICK in 1802 appears to be an Apprentice in Wallingford, Berkshire to Mr A Atherton and a Mr C Venimore

[nicjk]

Thanks again Capetown.

Had a look at some of the information.  There possibly could be a link between John Vick, a cooper and my Samuel Vick.  Samuel's son John, my GGGG grandfather, was also a cooper.

Through newspapers discovered that Elizabeth, John's wife dies in 1834.  John dies in 1840.

I am hopeful that the Tetbury Advertiser or another Tetbury newspaper may be accessible via British Newspapers Online one day. 

Thank you so much for your assistance.

Nicola

[Capetown]

Briefly 'popped' into our local library today to use 'Free Ancestry' and had a quick look at the Will of John VICK 1840, Cooper of Chipping Sodbury (should have run a copy off, but was in a hurry)....

This is a very clear Will and starts off almost immmediately mentioning his brother Samuel, - respected friend, Henry STINCHOMBE of Hawkesbury

Sons:

Nathaniel
John
Joseph

daughters:
Mary Elizabeth MORLEY (who married John 28 November 1836)
Elizabeth VICK
Sarah MILLS

Nephews

Samuel VICK & Charles VICK - sons of his brother James VICK

[nicjk]

Thanks Capetown.

I found the copy of the will for John Vick yesterday.  I also have one for a Samuel Vick. 

There are factors in each one that fit the puzzle, but others that do not.

I am beginning to think that there are brothers John, Samuel, James & Joseph, plus no doubt they will have sisters.  My Samuel belongs to one of them.

The closest baptism entry I have found for a Samuel Vick is 1786 at Randwick.  "Samuel, son of Anne Vick".  Should John that is a cooper, be Anne's brother, then it does make sense that Samuel may follow his occupation. 

I have not found a Samuel with father James Vick that fits.  Do find that transcription of the name is incorrect sometimes  - Vick can be recorded as Rich, Pick, Vich, Rick, Veck.

If we can go back 3-4 more generations, no doubt they are all connected.

Nicola