Kirkpatrick - 1871 look up

[Valda]

Hi

Deaths Jun 1899
Kirkpatrick  Thomas Sanden  69  St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 311

1891 census RG12 75 folio 91
38 Charlwood Street St George Hanover Square
Thomas S G Kirkpatrick 61 Head Married Living on own means Newport Isle of Wight
Ruth Kirkpatrick 44 Wife Married Kingsclere Hampshire (actually says Hampstead)
plus 1 servant

Marriages Sep 1876   
KIRKPATRICK  Thomas Sauden G     Pancras  1b 115     
Lawrence  Ruth     Pancras  1b 115

Regards

Valda

[cmcv]

Thanks Valda!!! Do you have any information of him living in Honduras??? He was my great great great grandfather. He had two childre out of wedlock with a french woman. Her name was Victoire Berlioz. Their children were Eduardo Berlioz Kirkpatrick (my great great grandfather) and Elisa Berlioz Kirkpatrick. We don't know if the children were born in England, France or Honduras, since we don't have the actual dates of thier arrival here, nor the birth certificates of the children.

It'll be great if you can gelp me with that.

Another question: where can I get a copy of the original documents with the info you gave me?

Reards,

Claudia

[cmcv]

Thanks Valda!!! Do you have any information of him living in Honduras??? He was my great great great grandfather. He had two childre out of wedlock with a french woman. Her name was Victoire Berlioz. Their children were Eduardo Berlioz Kirkpatrick (my great great grandfather) and Elisa Berlioz Kirkpatrick. We don't know if the children were born in England, France or Honduras, since we don't have the actual dates of thier arrival here, nor the birth certificates of the children.

It'll be great if you can gelp me with that.

Another question: where can I get a copy of the original documents with the info you gave me?

Regards,

Claudia

[Valda]

Hi

1881 census RG11 107 folio 99
38 Eccleston Square St George Hanover Square Westminster
Miriam J. Kirkpatrick 83 Head Widow Chichester Sussex
Edwd. G. Kirkpatrick 54 Son Unmarried Barrister at law not practising Newport Isle of Wight
Thos. S. G. Kirkpatrick 52 Son Married Barrister at law not practising Whiffingham Isle of Wight
plus 4 servants

Ruth Kirkpatrick on this occasion seems to be the one who was travelling.

Deaths Sep 1886  
Kirkpatrick  Miriam Jane  88  I. Wight  2b 403


1851 census HO107 1727 folio 521
Corpus Christi College, Morton Street Oxford Oxfordshire
Thomas S G Kirkpatrick  21  Whippingham Isle of Wright, Hampshire

1851 census HO107 1599/1 folio 10
Betchworth Surrey
Richard G Kirkpatrick 58 Head Married Landed Proprietor Fundholder Newport Isle of Wight
Marian Kirkpatrick 52 Wife Married Chichester Sussex
Edward G Kirkpatrick 23 Son Law Student Carisbrooke Isle of Wight
Frederick D Kirkpatrick 17 Son Law Student Hascombe Surrey

Deaths Sep 1863  
KIRKPATRICK  Richard Godman     Hastings  2b 17


It is likely that Thomas and indeed his father if not his mother left wills

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Probate.html


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi Claudia

The census images can viewed on various websites. You either buy credits to view the pages or subscribe - Findmypast, Ancestry etc.

You can obtain the certificates from the General Registry Office

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


I can't see an Eduardo/Edward Berlioz Kirkpatrick in the civil registration for births, marriages or deaths (England and Wales) or an Elisa or anyone with the surname Berlioz.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl


Thomas Sanden Godman Kirkpatrick
baptised 25 Nov 1829 Isle of Wight
Father: Richard Godman Kirkpatrick
Mother: Mariam Jane
Maternal Grandfather: Joseph Godman


No sign of Thomas in England or Scotland on the 1861 and 1871 censuses.



Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

However Google books brings his name up on the Zoological  Society of London report 11 Hanover Square February 20th 1865. He seems to have a lot to do with mining and minerals.


'The Kirkpatrick family first appear in the Isle of Wight in the Newport area in the 18th century. They were to become bankers and prominent members of the local Congregational Chapel. Estates were held at various times at Fairlee, St. Cross and Mount Pleasant in the parishes of Carisbrooke and Whippingham and also in the Undercliff at Niton, centred on Windcliffe. There were smaller landholdings elsewhere. By the early 20th century the landholdings at Mount Pleasant once the heart of the estate were being divided up and sold for development, and the core of the landholdings passed to Niton. The heir to the estate was Reginald Prendergast in the 1920s, and the house remained in the hands of the family until c1960.'

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=189-kpk&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1

http://www.genealogy.kirkpatrickaustralian.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I50434&tree=TKG


Regards

Valda

[cmcv]

Thanks again!!! The family tradition says that he, sometime during the 1860's-1870's was a British Representative somewhere in the Antilles, perhaps Jamaica or Bahamas. Where can I search that type of info? Is it possible to know if he lived in France or the US during the 1850's and 1860's?

This brother, Frederick is new to me. I had information of a Edward Godman Kirkpatrick and a Richard Temple Godman Kirkpatrick. Do you have more information about him?

I also have information regarding an Edward Kirkpatrick acting as HM Consul in Honduras between 1862 and 1863. Is it possible to confirm if this Edward Kirkpatrick is the brother Edward Godman?

Best Regards,

Claudia

[Valda]

Hi

I'd already checked the U.S. censuses and immigration records. There was no evidence of Thomas.

That is the only time I have Frederick in the censuses.

It may be possible to track Edward as a consul in Foreign Office or Colonial Office Records held at The National Archives.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp


Regards

Valda

[cmcv]

Valda, another questions since I'm nor British: What does the suffix "Esq." stands for? Is it only used or given in the UK or is usual for an American citizen to use it as well?

And another person... the British consul I was telling you about in Honduras was called Edward T. Kirkpatrick. is it possible to find any information about him?

Thanks again...

Claudia