1841 Census Lookup Please GRAY in Burnham or Upton cum Chalvey COMPLETED

[behindthefrogs]

Mary Ann Gray (Grey) was born in Burnham in 1827 and married Henry Johnson in Upton cum Chalvey in 1849.  She had a brother Thomas born in 1835 possibly in Farnham.  Her father William Gray was born in 1795 and was in Upton in 1851 with Thomas.  I am in particular looking for her mother and any other siblings.

many thanks

David

[behindthefrogs]

I have identified two other siblings.  Richard born 1826 and Ann born in 1832.  The mother's name was Frances but I can't find any of these after the birth of Thomas in 1835 which was presumably at Farnham Common.

David

[Daisypetal]

Hi David,

This looks like them in 1841,

1841  HO107/61/9  f.14  p.30  Upton cum Chalvey

William GRAY     45  Ag Lab
Francis            45
Richard            15  Ag Lab
Mary               13
Ann                  7
Thomas            5

All born in County.
Although spelt Francis she is in the female column.



I see that William is married in 1851 so wonder if this could be Frances,

1851  HO107/1718  f.300  p.2  Upton cum Chalvey
Bath Road Slough

Frances GRAY  Visitor  M  56  Nurse  Berks  Fyfield

In the household of Albert COZENS.



This looks like William and Frances back together in 1861,

1861  RG9/854  f.92  p.5  Farnham Royal

William GRAY  67  "  " (Entry above 2 above is farm labourer) Bucks Chalvey
Frances        66  "  "                                              Berks Bray Fifefedd?



Possible death for Frances,

Frances GRAY  Mar Q  1871  Eton  v.3a  p.326

Regards
Daisy

[Daisypetal]

Hi again,

Could this be Richard,

1851  HO107/1717  f.697  p.17  Farnham Royal
Newmans Lane

Richard GRAY        Head     Mar  25  Brick layers lab  Bucks Burnha
Lydia                   Wife      Mar  23  Lace maker        Bucks S?? Green
Henry                   Son              7   Scolar                  "  "       "  "
Eliza                     Dau              1   At Home              "  "       "  "
Meshach CHANNER  Visitor  Mar  42  Farm Labourer        "  "      "  "


1861 RG9/849  f.94  p.11  Seer Green

Richard GRAY     36  Bricklayer  Bucks East Burnham
Lydia                33                    "  "  Seer Green
Eliza                 11                   "  "      "    "


Daisy

[behindthefrogs]

Thank you very much Daisy.  Those details take me a large step forward.

David

[behindthefrogs]

To fill in where I have now got to.

Frances was Frances Allen who married William in 1816 in Upton cum Chalvey.

I have found three more children

Jane born and died 1839
Charlotte born 1819
James born 1821

I have failed to find any marriage for Richard and Lydia although in 1881 she is visiting Mary Watson at Wilton Park Farm Beaconsfield.  Mary died a little later age 72 and I suspect may have been her mother or an elderly relative.

David

[Daisypetal]

I think Lydia may have been a CHANNER,

IGI
Lydia CHANNER 
03 Jun 1829  Farnham Royal, Buckingham
Father: Meshach CHANNER
Mother: Albina


1841 HO107/48/5  f.6  p.7  Farnham Royal
Seer Green

Ann CHANNEL      70  Mistress Infant School
Meshache           35  Labour
Mary                  30
Lydia                  14
James DOWSETT  40  Ag Lab                       All born in County


I can see this marriage,

Lydia CHANNER  Dec Q 1845  Eton  v.6  p.687

Richard GREY with same details.


There is also this odd couple, Free BMD shows Dec Q 1842 as complete,

Mary CHANNER  Dec Q  1842  Eton  v.6  p.640
The image shows p.640 but there is no match for Dec Q Eton with this ref.

James WATSON  Dec Q  1842  Eton  v.6 p.646
The image shows p.646 but there is no match for Dec Q Eton with this ref.

I wonder if there is a mistranscripton on the index.

In 1851/61/71 Mary WATSON wife of James is born abt. 1810 Seer Green and seems to be the same one Lydia is with in 1881.


At first I thought it was her mother/stepmother Mary from the 1841 census remarrying but Meshach CHANNER doesn't die until,

Meshach CHANNER  Mar Q  1872  age:66  Amersham  v.3a  p.296

So as 1841 doesn't show relationships I wonder if Mary is his sister not his wife 


Regards
Daisy

[behindthefrogs]

Thanks Daisy,

It all fits nicely.  I searched Richard Gray and Grey back from 1844 and Richard Gray forward but forgot to do Grey.

With Mesach a visitor in 1851 this ties up the loose ends of Richard and Lydia.

Also with both the Eton FreeBMD entries coming up as single entries on a page and a difference of 6 betwen the pages it is fairly certain that one of them is a mistranscription

David

[Daisypetal]

Hi again,

This looks like James in 1851, sister Ann is here too  

1851  HO107/1566  f.296  p.31  Newington Surrey
41 Tiverton St

James GRAY    Head  29  Railway Labourer  Buckinghamshire Upton
Ann               Wife  28                         Berkshire Bray
George            Son   7  Scholar             Buckingham Farnham Royal
Ann             Sister  18                          "  "  Upton Chalvey
Susan             Dau   5                            Surrey Newington
John               Son   2                              " "        "  "
William            Son   1m                           "  "        "  "


1861  RG9/336  f.66  p.37  Newington Surrey
41 Tiverton St
//
John BECKINSDALE Head Wid 77 Retired Gentleman Servant Oxford Brayton M??
/
James GRAY     Head  39  Plasterer  Bucks Upton
Ann                Wife   37                   Surrey Molesley
Susan              Daur  15                     "  "    Camberwell
John                Son   12  Scholar      Bucks Upton
William             Son    9    "  "           Surrey Newinngton
Edward            Son    5    "  "              "  "        "  "
Frances           Daur   1                        "  "        "  "
//

I can't see this family in 1871 but in 1881 they are still in Newington  RG11/535  f.17  p.28 and Ann's birthplace is back to Bray Berkshire.


There is this possible marriage in Cookham, registration district for Bray,

James GRAY  Jun Q  1843  Cookham  v.6  p.632

Ann BEACONSEAL  with same reference.


Daisy