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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 December 22 03:36 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't help with finding her in London, but I assume this is Louisa's death notice 18 Sept 1916 at Subiaco?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991682

and funeral notice, with details of children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991797

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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 03 December 22 03:33 GMT (UK) »
That does sound like you have done a lot of work already. If there is only one likely candidate it does sound promising.

Louisa had 4 children, did she marry? Do you have a marriage certificate? What age does it have for Louisa - at the birth of her children and at her death, presumably these give you the indication she was born in the 1860s, but is it more specific?  :)

You've probably seen the passenger list on "The West Australian" has her name Louisa STAMPS, but I've looked at the actual image and it definitively STAMP.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2991651

As far as finding the records for Felgates, I don't have any better advice than was given previously, maybe contact the National Archives, or the London Metropolitan Archives.

Will keep looking ...

Hi Maddy  :)

Thanks for your continued support. She met a cad, John Carter (my 2x GGfather) not long after arriving in Australia. He had had 4 children with his wife Sarah Saxby in Sydney before abandoning them all and moving to Perth. He met Louisa and had 2 children with her, then abandoned her.

She tried to get the two children into the poorhouse here, so she could get work to support herself, but was unsuccessful. The police officer reporting on the situation said "she is a quiet and sober woman...she does not appear to have any associates and is quite friendless, the people from whom she rents her room will give her a few more days grace, after which she will be turned adrift with her two children."  Breaks my heart every time I read that  :'(

They later reconciled and had two more children.

Her death cert says she was 55 when she died in 1916, making her birth around 1861.The informant was an assistant undertaker. Only two of her children's birth certs have her age...27 in 1896 and 30 in 1899, making her birth around 1869. She was the informant for these birth certs. It seems unlikely she migrated to Australia by herself when she was only 15, so the truth is probably somewhere in between 1861 and 1869. (The Louisa I found in the UK censuses was born in 1867).

Yes I saw the passenger list, and you're right...I think the journalist writing the entry mistook the big 'p' at the end of 'Stamp' for a 'ps'. I also tried researching the other passengers, as there's only a few. I thought she may have migrated with friends. No luck :( Though the other lady called 'Catherine Ringrose' in the newspaper looks to have a different surname on the passenger list. Can you make it out at all?

Cheers :)

Rob.



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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 03 December 22 05:22 GMT (UK) »
That is a sad story, though it sounds like a happier ending.

Whilst I agree that the passenger list doesn't really look like RINGROSE, having a look on FreeBMD there are a couple of Catherine RINGROSE (one born Coventry 1853, the other Caistor 1849). I can't see any other name on FreeBMD searching with RING* that looks better in the time frame. You could try putting a clip of the passenger list on the handwriting decipher board. Clever people there may have some better guesses.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/

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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 December 22 05:33 GMT (UK) »
Just checking -  the Catherine RINGROSE born 1849 Caistor appears to have died 1855 (baptised as Charlotte Catherine RINGROSE 14 Oct 1849, buried 23 Mar 1855 as Catharine Charlotte RINGROSE.

And there is a possible marriage for the other Catherine (1853 Coventry), though I haven't time to check it fully now.

Anyway, probably best to get some other opinions on the surname.  :D


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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 December 22 03:01 GMT (UK) »
I'm assuming these are a couple of Louisa's children in WA:

John Thomas CARTER 1886
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZT-37Z
Francisca Louisa CARTER 1889
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZR-KL6

Hi Maddy  :)

Yes, these are her first two children, John and Frances. These are the two that Louisa tried to get into the poorhouse. Frances was my Great Grandmother.

Cheers,
Rob.

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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 December 22 03:05 GMT (UK) »
That is a sad story, though it sounds like a happier ending.

Whilst I agree that the passenger list doesn't really look like RINGROSE, having a look on FreeBMD there are a couple of Catherine RINGROSE (one born Coventry 1853, the other Caistor 1849). I can't see any other name on FreeBMD searching with RING* that looks better in the time frame. You could try putting a clip of the passenger list on the handwriting decipher board. Clever people there may have some better guesses.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/

Thanks Maddy, I'll give that a shot  :)

Cheers,
Rob.

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Re: Felgate & Co,12 Clement's Lane,London
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 December 22 03:09 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't help with finding her in London, but I assume this is Louisa's death notice 18 Sept 1916 at Subiaco?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991682

and funeral notice, with details of children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991797

Hi Maddy :)

Yes, these are her notices. The 'Mrs Alfred Western' referred to is actually her daughter Frances, who married Alfred Western. Funny how married women were referred to by their husband's name.

Trove is such a great resource for researchers :)

Cheers,
Rob.