Help please

[allsorts]

Can anyone help me trace back my family tree... Johnson originate from the  Naylors of  Elbert Lane St Helens my Grandfather being Henry who married Martha and had eight children.... Martha,Richard,Elizabeth,Mary Ellen, & Henry, ... Catherine,Molly,Joseph of which i can't find any infomation about other than Joseph was killed in the 1st World War aged 32 and is buried at Cambrai Memorial Cemertry in Nord, France.
Are there any Naylors out there who can help in my quest please.

[Kevwood]

Just noticed that joseph was awarded the Military Medal.

Kev.

[allsorts]

Is that so Kev ?

 were did you find this out ?

[Valda]

From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website

NAYLOR, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment: South Lancashire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 01/12/1917
Service No: 241579
Awards: MM
Additional information: Son of Henry and Martha Naylor, of Sutton, Surrey.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 7.
Memorial: CAMBRAI MEMORIAL, LOUVERVAL

I think an error for Sutton Lancashire. On the 1901 census Joseph was living at home with his widowed father and working on a farm. His siblings Elizabeth, Henry and Catherine were also still at home.

Regards

Valda

[Kevwood]

It is on the cwgc site. He is also mentioned in the London Gazette.

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1755529

If you look where it says awards, it says MM.

Also if you search under j. naylor you find the mention of it here.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=full

Can you post the details slightly clearer, ie if you know places of birth of dates , even if they are rough approximations, should be able to find them in the censuses, had a look but there are loads of naylors.

Kev.

[Valda]

1891 census RG12 3026 folio 86
Sherdley Cottage St Helens  Lancashire   
Naylor, Henry 49 Rainhill, Lancashire, Head Widowed Agricultural labourer
Naylor, Richard 18 Sutton, Lancashire,  Son Agricultural labourer
Naylor, Lily 16 Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter  Domestic
Naylor, Henry 11 Sutton, Lancashire,  Son 
Naylor, Kate 8 Sutton, Lancashire, Daughter     
Naylor, Joseph 6 Sutton, Lancashire, Son     

Lily from the 1881 and 1901 censuses would appear to be Elizabeth. Kate is Catherine.

As Joseph is mentioned on the Cambrai memorial it means he has no known grave.

Regards

Valda

[allsorts]

Yes thanks for that Valda & Kev, the story as far as i know it is that Joseph was a Corporal in the 1st/5th Battalion South Lancashire Regiment son of Henry & Martha of Sutton Surrey and was aged 32 when he died, could this me a mistake do you think.
Kev your answers Henry Naylor born 1841 died 12th Nov 1925, wife Martha surname and birth unknown died 2nd Sept aged 43, all the other children are Martha 36, Richard 9, Elizabeth 7, Mary Ellen 4, & Henry 2, ( 1881 Census ) got quite alot of other info here Kev if it helps, thanks to everybody who have added info.

[Kevwood]

Ideally then we want to find henry and marthas marriage.

[Valda]

1861 census RG9 2753 folio 89
Sutton Lane Sutton  Lancashire  
Robert Naylor 52 West Derby, Lancashire, Head Married Farmer of 100 acres
Elizabeth Naylor 52 West Derby, Lancashire, Wife Married
Richard Naylor 25 Rainhill, Lancashire, Son
Elizabeth Naylor 21  Rainhill, Lancashire,  Daughter  
Henry Naylor 19  Rainhill, Lancashire, Son  
Mary Anne Naylor 16  Rainhill, Lancashire, Daughter  
Robert Naylor 14  Rainhill, Lancashire, Son  
Ellen Naylor 10  Rainhill, Lancashire,  Daughter

Regards

Valda