Help please

[Valda]

1871 census RG10 3866 folio 99
Hillbiss? Lane Sutton  Lancashire
Richard Naylor 62  Sutton, Lancashire, Head  Widower Farmer of 40 acres
Richard Naylor 34 Sutton, Lancashire, Son 
Henry Naylor 28  Sutton, Lancashire, Son   
Mary A Naylor 25  Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter   
Robert Naylor 23 Sutton, Lancashire,  Son 
Ellen Naylor 19  Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter   

All farmer's sons and daughters
plus one servant

Despite the obvious differences with the 1861 census this seems to be the same family.
This census gives you a window of no more than a couple of years at most for Henry's marriage if he married Martha before the birth of their first known child Richard circa 1872/3.

Regards

Valda

[Wendi]

A possible marriage:

Henry Naylor married in the district of Wigan.  On the same sheet is a Martha Atherton

September 1872 Volume 8c, Page 28

[Kevwood]

According to the 1881 census Martha was born 1845 in Sutton, cant find a Martha Atherton born Sutton, what is near, anyone know?

Kev.

[Valda]

This looks a strong possibility but you should really have one of their children's birth certificates to be sure Naylor was also their mother's maiden name.

From FreeBMD
Marriage March quarter 1872 Prescot Lancashire Volume 8b page 807
Henry Mercer Naylor
Martha Naylor

Sutton is in the registration district of Prescot. There were also a lot of Mercer families as next door neighbours to the Naylors.

There is a Martha Naylor in the censuses of the right age to match Martha on the 1881 census.

1861 census RG9 2753 folio 88
Canester Houses Sutton  Lancashire  
Joseph Naylor 54  Sutton, Lancashire,  Head  Married   Coalminer
Catherine Naylor 56  Windle, Lancashire,  Wife  Married
Martha Naylor 15  Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter  
Ann Birchall 84  Sutton, Lancashire, Mother-in-law

1871 census RG10 3866 folio 99
Square House Sutton  Lancashire  
Joseph Naylor 64  St Helens, Lancashire,  Head  Married Coalminer
Catharine Naylor 64  St Helens, Lancashire, Wife  Married
Martha Naylor 24  St Helens, Lancashire, Daughter  

1851 census HO107 2195 folio 204
Sherdley Cottage Sutton  Lancashire  
Joseph Naylor 44 Sutton, Lancashire, Head  Married Coalminer
Catherine Naylor 44  Windle, Lancashire,  Wife Married
James Naylor 19  Sutton, Lancashire,  Son Coalminer  
Joseph Naylor 17  Eccleston, Lancashire,  Son Coalminer
Elizabeth Naylor 14 Eccleston, Lancashire,  Daughter
Catherine Naylor 11  Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter  
Martha Naylor 4  Sutton, Lancashire,  Daughter  

Regards

Valda

[allsorts]

Well Valda you seem to be right about the farming life, what info i have here suggests that Henry was indeed a farmer working for the Hughes family who owned what is now Sherdley Park St Helens, Richard  was a farm labourer and lived in Warrington, Elizabeth married Harry Sheridan from County Fermanagh Ireland, and came back to St Helens and became a policeman year not known.
thanks everybody.

[allsorts]

Kev where would i start to look for the marriage of Henry & Martha, would i have to look through the church records for that era ?

 cheers kev

[Kevwood]

Valda has posted the most likely one above.

Kev.

[Valda]

If you think Henry Mercer Naylor and Martha Naylor is the correct marriage then with the details I have given you, you can order  the certificate directly from the General Register Office

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/

Regards

Valda

[allsorts]

Thanks Valda for all the information that you have given me its a great help, just need to get in touch with my father to see if he knows anymore and pass on what i have now.


  Thanks to everybody who as assisted and as helped me.