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Francis Burel, b.1829 Completed, with many thanks.
« on: Saturday 28 January 06 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Francis, I believe, was my g.g.grandfather.
I have traced his whereabouts on the 1841 census (living with his parents in Gilling), also on the 1861 census (working as a cordwainer).
The returns for 1851 and 1871 are the problem, I can't find him anywhere.
If anyone has any knowledge of Francis, or his family I would be very grateful!

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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 April 06 19:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Pels

Do you know Francis' wife's name?  It might narrow it down.

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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 April 06 23:21 BST (UK) »


Hi Ticker,

That is the million dollar question!
After nearly four years of searching, I am more or less positive Francis was the father of my great grandfather.
Thomas was born in 1860, the illegitimate son of Jane.
Jane, in 1851 had also given birth to a daughter Mary Ann Gains, again whilst unmarried.
Although unable to find any record of a marriage, Jane claims on all later census forms not only to be married, but she re-invents herself as Jane Burrell?
Apart from the 1841 census whilst still only a child, Francis can only be found on one other census, 1861 and living a short distance from Jane.
He is lodging with a family but he also claims to be married. Yet again no trace of a marriage for Francis, either to Jane or to anyone else?
Thomas's name changes throughout the years, but Mary Ann always called herself Gains, until she married
and became a Cadwell, when they moved out to the States.
I found an extract from an American biography, written in 1904 about Mary Ann and her husband, in the book Mary Ann claimed her maiden name was Burrill and her parents were Francis and Jane?
This is why I would dearly love to place them in 1851 because it just might be the key, or not as the case may be!!
I have trawled the 1851 looking at every Francis, using every variation of spelling and within an appropriate age range. - nothing!

I'll bet you now wish you were never kind enough to ask!!
Thanks a lot for replying, I would be so very grateful to hear from anyone with a possible link,

Regards

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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 April 06 00:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Pels

Sounds like you've got your work cut out!  ;)

I'll have a look and let you know if anything looks promising.

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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 April 06 00:23 BST (UK) »
Hi again Ticker,

I would really appreciate it!
Phew, I am exhausted now after writing all that! 
This has always been a puzzle for us and I would love to solve it.
May I say many thanks for all the stirling work you
do!
This becomes addictive doesn't it?

Best wishes

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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 April 06 10:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Pels

This is a tough one!  ;)

I'm struggling to find Francis.  I looked for Mary Ann Gains in  the 1851 and found one born in about 1850 in Brafferton (which isn't far from Gilling), but her mother was also a Mary Ann.  I'm confused!

The best I can come up with for Frances is below:  ???

1851
HO107/2367
Bridlington 
Skipsea 
Folio 72  Page 9


Name   Relation   Condition   Age   Occupation   Where Born
Dinah Burrel   Head   Wid   50    Lime Burner      Carnaby, Yorkshire
Francis Burrel   Son       13       Carnaby
Jane Burrel   Daughter      11      Carnaby
John Burrel   Son       5       Carnaby


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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 April 06 11:08 BST (UK) »
Isn't it infuriating?

I have checked Francis from Bridlington and without looking back into it all, I seem to remember his descendants have a connection with Gilling or that area. They could be cousins or some relation?
The dates for Mary Ann in Brafferton are spot on but I haven't been able to find a connection with the family she is staying with and my lot?
All my births and census returns are around the Gilling area?
I did find listed on the 1851 census:

J. Gains b.1829, servant, but the age is in the male column? I checked and no males by that name born in 1828/29/30? On the other hand Jane's parents have a local connection, Jane claimed to have been born in the same area.
This is where I thought she was staying incognito if pregnant.
I had also hoped Francis might have been nearby if he was also the father of Mary Ann?
I then went through the whole area page by page thinking it might have been one of the hard to read names, but no luck?

You are so kind but if you look any more you will end up as mad as me! ;D

Thanks very, very much,
Pels
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Re: Francis Burrell, b.1829 Gilling West
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 April 06 18:25 BST (UK) »
You are so kind but if you look any more you will end up as mad as me! ;D

Don't worry Pels - this hobby sent me round the bend some time ago - so I can't blame you!  ;D ;D

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