Baird - 1811 - England to Canada

[Glenn Baird]

I am looking for a little help getting my branch of the Baird family from New Brunswick Canada back to what I believe to be England.

The information I can varify is:

John Baird married Mary prior to 08 Feb 1811.
and sailed to Canada that same month.

They supposably had a child aboard ship:

William Barnes Baird b. 09 Feb 1811
He married Sarah Ann Lackie
They, in turn had 10 children:
John Samuel
William Henry
Robert Wesley
Mary Matilda
George C.
Isabel
Issac Lackie
Ann Jane
Victoria Regina
James Albert

The 1881 census shows William and Sarah Ann as being Beard's
Also listed, William Henry married Annie, shown as Beard
Annie E. is Annie Elizabeth Tabor
Birth records of two of her children prove this.

Here are the assuptions:

John Baird was a Captain (determined back in the late '90s??)

Two days ago I found this:
A marriage of John Baird to Mary Barnes on 09 Jan 1811 in St. Marys, Carlisle, Cumberland, England
There were a couple of Bairds in Carlisle and also several Barnes in 1811. (no record of a John)

A couple of miles away in Maryport, the ship "Betsy" was master by a "J. Baird"
There are too many flags pop up.
The middle name of children are usually the last name of the mother.
Dead ends of this John Baird in England.
Confirmed surnames in the area.
All this leads me to beleave that John was a bad boy and had to get out of "Dodge", taking his new wife with him.

I've check every possable site I can think of in Canada to no avail.
My only hope is England, but have a very hard time finding info.

The Question:

Is there a way I can track the ship Betsy as to her captains?
Can anyone check the marriage docs in Carlisle for me sinces I live in Canada?
And is there any (real long shot) log book showing them boarding a ship for a sea port that could have had a sailed for Canada?

Glenn Baird
"All things being equal,
the simplest answer is
usually the correct one"
Occam's Razor

[lorimer]

Hello Glenn

Looked at your request found John Samuel Baird married Annie Elizabeth Taber on 25th October 1866, Upham, Canada.

I noticed that her family are well documented on the IGI.

Anyway, I live in Carlisle, so I will be at the archive record office tomorrow and I will look up the marriage of John Baird to Mary Barnes, see if it throws any light on your request.

Regards
Louise

[Glenn Baird]

Thanks for taking a peek for me.  Can you also keep in the back of your mind (but don't go searching like craze) if you see something else that may connect Carlisle's John to mine, please take note of it for me.
Thanks again

Glenn

[lorimer]

Hello Glenn

As promised had a good look in the archives today.

In 1811 'Betsy' listed for Maryport, Master J Baird, owners W.Smith & Co.  Rig br, Tn 161.  Prior to this I found 1781 - 1794 master of the ship was Wilfrd Smith.  The record office tell me that at Carlisle they do hold some records of the ships, it seems it was proberly licensed at Carlisle so the archivist's tell me, and next time I visit they will try and check it out!

Next, I checked out your marriage of John Baird and Mary Barnes, it was not listed in the Bishops records for some reason BUT was in the church records.

No 101, page 3.
John Baird of Crosscannoby a WIDOWER married Mary Barnes of Carlisle , spinster on 9th January 1811, he signed the registra, she was not able to write her signature, cross insitu.  Witnesses Thomas Milburn and I think Peter Aniugh, though it could have been anything very hard to read.
Though nothing to indicate a master of a ship, sorry.

Next marriage I noted in the registra was Joseph Thompson & Elizabeth Barnes, both of Carlisle, just wonderd if it might have been a sister to Mary.

Checked out any Barnes living in Carlisle in 1811, listed as follows:-

Philip Barnes- Solicitor, James Barnes - grocer, Edward Barnes - breeches maker and Edward Barnes- grocer.

I did look at any Bairds for Carlisle, George Baird -Clock and Watchmaker, & George and Robert Baird - Ironmongers.

I tried to see if there was a first marriage for John at Crosscannoby but couldn't see it.  Couldn't see any Bairds listed at the church grounds for Crosscannoby and I looked in the Directory also.

By the way Crosscannoby belongs to Maryport.

Will try again for you on my next visit.

Regards
Louise

[Glenn Baird]

Thanks again, you have been a great help an I am indebted to your service.
Crosscannoby belonging to Maryport makes thing more interesting.

Glenn

[Glenn Baird]

I started realy digging in the IGI for George, Robert and John with either Baird or Beard
I found this:

George Beard
Elizabeth Lambshaw

Chlidren

Robert ch. 11 NOV 1787,  Saint Cuthbert
George ch. 17 APR 1785,  Saint Cuthbert
John ch. 17 JUN 1792,  Saint Cuthbert

Others:??
John ch. 28 AUG 1785  Saint Cuthbert d. 21 MAR 1790 (Mothers f. name match - no last)

This appears to be the wrong family, John Beard is too young, he would have been 19 in his second marriage and could not have mastered a ship.

Robert and George could have owned the shops in town.
It appears at this time that this family may not be connected.
But the John at Crosscannoby still exists and was married to Mary.

I found out how my John died, he took a horseshoe to the head, only one problem, the horse was still attached at the time.
He also had a govn't land grand in New Brunswick, I did find this, Hampton Kings County NB Date 08/12/1825.  The date seems a little late but a darn good chance.

What is on one of these land Grants?  Is it worth $7 canadian?

Well I'm off to the Sergeant's and Warrant's Mess.  It's Friday, you know.

Glenn

[Glenn Baird]

Showed my Aunt your post.  Some things clicked with her:

"As I read these, there are several names which were family names in our Baird line, e.g. George, Robert (Baird).  The name Wilfred Smith attracted my attention.  The owner of the property in Titusville, that is adjacent to the property owned by my great grandfather (William Barnes) Baird and subsequently his son James, and then my father, Jones, was a Wilfred Smith.  It could be that Capt. John followed earlier settlers from the same area in Gr. Britain."

We both think you may have stumbled on to something.  THANKS!!
The land in Titusville NB may not be clear title so there might not be any records.
I am trying to recrut a local historian http://www.rubycusack.com that went to school with my Aunt to see if we can close the gap on some dates.  I've got a lead on a 1825 land grant, very promising.

Glenn

[lorimer]

Hi Glen

Keep me updated on your finds, loved the story of the the horseshoe!

Regards
Louise

[lorimer]

Hi Glen

Just had a thought, there is  a web sight I somtimes use called Free BMD, which stands for Births, Marriages & Deaths, which can be quite good, but this leads to an Ancestrysite, which I know does passenger and Immigration lists for the ships that went to America and Canada, though you have to subscribe to get that information.  Just thought if all ends fail, you could use it as a standby.

Regards
Louise