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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 11:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Wiff96 amd Rondem,

Now that is intresting, since I only have 10 children listed, born to
James Armstrong and Mary Armstrong.

Wiff96, do you have the date of birth for Agnes Armstrong.

Best regards,

Richard
Armstrong - Lanarkshire
Aitken, Connachie, Gillon, Hotchkiss, Steel - Stirlingshire
Aitken, Gillon - West Lothian
Wilson - East Lothian, Midlothian, Lanarkshire

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 11:30 BST (UK) »
Sorry i don't have exact date but her marriage certificate which is from 1895 states that she was 24 so that would make her birth year 1871. Hope that helps

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 11:58 BST (UK) »
I spent a credit on Scotlands People and there were 10 Agnes Armstrongs listed between 1870 and 1872 and none in New Kilpatrick.  By the way Siward, what can you tell us about the Liddles?

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Wiff96 and RonDem,

From my own family tree, the only child born to the marriage of James Armstrong and Mary Armstrong during this time frame, was Anne McArthur Armstrong in 1871.

The mystery deepens...

Ah... The Liddles...  ;D

Elizabeth Liddle married my Great Great Great Great Grandfather, James
Armstrong m.1810 Glasgow. Had a specialist in handwriting have a look
at this marriage cert. turns out occupation Soldier 94th Regiment. This OPR
record holds no more clues, no name of father or age, hits end of the line,
me thinks :(

Anyway have been comparing notes and document on the Liddle side.
Elizabeth was born to parents Matthew Liddle and Janet Lawrie, married
in Glasgow in 1777.

Elizabeth had 5 brothers and sisters.

Margaret Liddle b. 1785
Isabel Liddle b. 1787
Matthew Liddle b. 1789
Janet Liddle b. 1792
John Liddle b. 1796

Now, Elizabeths middle name was Sweetman.

This turns out to be the maiden name of her grandmother, called Margaret Sweetman, who married Charles Laurie.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Richard


Armstrong - Lanarkshire
Aitken, Connachie, Gillon, Hotchkiss, Steel - Stirlingshire
Aitken, Gillon - West Lothian
Wilson - East Lothian, Midlothian, Lanarkshire


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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:52 BST (UK) »
Siward: I had ther same synopsis for the Liddles, glad that you have concurred.  I had a military ancestor on my own line and I hired an researcher at the PRO (the only way other than being there in person to get the information). My ancestor was listed as Chelsea Pensioner on the 1851 census and so must have had a long enough career to get a pension. However, since you have the regiment it may more information on him. Mine told me where he served under who etc. I have the sneaking suspicion that James was from Ulster, nothing to substaniate it but just a gut feeling.

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 15:50 BST (UK) »
Ron,

Always thought there might be some connection with Ireland, since there
seems nothing much to go on in ScotlandsPeople. Found this little article
that narrows down some information.

As James is listed as a soldier when married in 1810, the only possible
regiment is possibly this one.

94th (Scots Brigade) Regiment of Foot 1802–1818

And from the article below..

"Reduced to 130 men, the regiment came home in April 1808, and was sent to Scotland to recruit"


"After serving at Cape Town in 1797-8, the Scotch Brigade went on to India with General Baird, and fought at Malavelly and the storming and capture of Seringapatam in 1799. It was employed under Colonels Stevenson and Wellesley against Dhoondiah Waugh and other free-booters in 1800. In 1803 the regiment was formally numbered as the 94th Regiment of Foot. It went through much arduous service in the campaigns of 1803-5 under Sir Arthur Wellesley, but was not present at the Battle of Assaye. The Indian services of the regiment were recognised by "Seringapatam" being inscribed on the colours, and the grant of the "Elephant", now one of the badges of the Connaught Rangers. It is distinguishable from other like badges by the purple-and-gold housings of the castle-less elephant. Reduced to 130 men, the regiment came home in April 1808, and was sent to Scotland to recruit. It was included among the regiments that were directed in an order of the following year to discontinue the use of Scottish clothing.

After serving in Jersey, the 94th went to Lisbon and from there to Cadiz, and was distinguished at the sanguinary defence of Fort Matagorda in 1810. It left Cadiz for Portugal before Graham's victory at Barossa. Joining Lord Wellington's army in the lines of Torres Vedras, the 94th made the subsequent campaigns with Picton's Division, where, side by side with the 88th (later 1st Connaught Rangers) and the 5th Foot, it won fresh laurels at Ciudad Rodrio, Badajos, Salamanca, Vittoria, the battles on the Nivelle, at Orthes and Toulouse.

When the troops withdrew from the South of France, after the peace of 1814, the 94th went to Ireland, where it was stationed during the Waterloo Campaign, and where it was disbanded on 24th December 1818. The old colours were originally lodged in Edinburgh Castle, and are now in St. Giles's Cathedral, Edinburgh. The regimental colour is dark green - the regimental facings had been changed from yellow to green - and bears the Scottish thistle on a crimson centre surmounted by the Crown together with the Elephant badge and Seringapatam and Peninsula honours, which descended to its successor."

Source:
http://www.waterfordcountymuseum.org/exhibit/web/Display/article/31/3/

And they come back to Glasgow in 1823...

"
The 94th Foot, now The 2nd Battalion Connaught Rangers

In December 1823, the 94th Regiment of Foot was again revived. The recruiting rendezvous was at Glasgow, and the officers were taken chiefly from the half-pay list of the old 94th Scotch Brigade. The new battalion embarked for Gibraltar soon after its formation, and there received its first colours. It served at Gibraltar and Malta until 1834, when it returned home. In 1838 it embarked for Ceylon to relieve the 58th Regiment, but was transferred to Madras the year after, and served in that Presidency for fifteen years, during which time it had some sharp work with the Moplah fanatics in 1849.

"

Looks like I might share a connection with Neil Armstrong after all ;)

Best regards,

Richard

Armstrong - Lanarkshire
Aitken, Connachie, Gillon, Hotchkiss, Steel - Stirlingshire
Aitken, Gillon - West Lothian
Wilson - East Lothian, Midlothian, Lanarkshire

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 12 August 10 12:51 BST (UK) »
Wonderful stuff Siward. His military career at the start of their marriage may explain the five year difference between James and Elizabeth's eldest son also named James 1811 and their next John 1815.

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 August 10 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Ron,

Yes, that's what I was suspecting. The big piece of the jigsaw is James
Armstrong (m.1810) death certificate, been trying for a long time to locate
this. Always thought being in the army, that it might be overseas, though
on Elizabeth Armstrong(Liddle) death certificate its lists James Armstrong,
occupation coal miner. The only thing I can think of was his early life
was as a soldier, than survived came home and worked in the mining.

Strange thing is, I cannot find Elizabeth on the 1841 census. The mystery
deepens.

I've actually got another thought about the birth place of James. There
is a christening registered in Airth, Stirlingshire on the 24th  Feb 1782.
Slim possibility

This could place James around 28 to 30 when he got married. The annoying thing about the OPR record , it does not give his age when married, no clue.

From what I know of Airth, which have visted several times in the past, several other sections of my family tree are from this area and it was very popular in mining, right through the entire 18th century. Since most of another part of my family working in mining.

Anyway, will have to go off and have think.

Best regards,

Richard
Armstrong - Lanarkshire
Aitken, Connachie, Gillon, Hotchkiss, Steel - Stirlingshire
Aitken, Gillon - West Lothian
Wilson - East Lothian, Midlothian, Lanarkshire

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Re: Armstrong New Kilpatrick
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 19 September 10 09:28 BST (UK) »
I haven't been on here for a while but, among other things, I'm researching my sister-in-laws tree and James Armstrong and Elizabeth Sweepman Liddle were her 3X great grandparents. Through their second son John.
McNaught, Robertson, Wighton, Duncan, Dawes, Fyffe, French, Getty, Herdman, Jelly, Gourlay, Vickers, Armstrong, Ruffell.