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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:51 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't give up yet Annie!

I can't make out what kind of record the IGI has for her christening.  It usually says either:

"Extracted records........." with batch numbers starting with a "C" or "P"

or

"Record submitted by a member....." which are usually have batch numbers without letters.

Your Jane's record has a batch number starting with "I" with no explanation other than that the original's a film (presumably rather than a book or a play ::).  All the records in the batch seem to be Christenings at All Saints, Liverpool so there's a very good chance that they are in fact extracted records.  I think it would be worth following corrine's advice and seeing if you can get a look at the original film through the LDS.

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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:56 GMT (UK) »


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IGI has  Jane Price christened  26th May 1861 - parents Robert and Jane - this seems right but we can find no record of her birth  IGI also gives other children of these parents as Margaret ch. 1856, Ellen ch.1858, Elizabeth Ann ch 1868, George born 1870.


It's just christenings ..... !! no sign of birth registration!!

Annie  :)
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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 March 06 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Annie!

The 1871 has Jane's mother's place of birth as Donigal (sic).  Could Jane have been born there too?  No idea how much people travelled back & forth across the Irish sea in those days.

http://www.donegalancestry.com/

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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 02 March 06 23:41 GMT (UK) »

Hi Al!

I only just got - this week - the marriage certificate of Robert Price and Jane Caterson! who are possibly the parents of Jane!! so now I can start going into Ireland ....... ! which I am doing with trepidation .... ! I tried some time ago - for Jane Price in Donegal - but without much sucess ( though I thought I had found her once!! ::) ) but now we have the name Caterson also - maybe I'll get some results!!  :P :P
The thought that Jane ( the mother ) returned to Ireland for the births is a bit
unwelcome - but might account for several of the children in the family  having no birth record in Liverpool! On the 1871 census all the children shown are down as born in Liverpool but of course this might have been said, because the parents were residents and the children christened there. If there had been a birth record for Jane we could have got the certificate and at least proved the parentage - but nothing is that easy in our family!

Annie  :)

PS As to going back and forth ..... don't forget Liverpool is the capital of Ireland ! ::)
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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 03 March 06 00:01 GMT (UK) »

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I'd say the odds were pretty slim but it may still be worth 62 quid and a 4 month wait

Al!

Tell me again how much a Euro is worth!!  ::)
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 03 March 06 00:26 GMT (UK) »

we have the name Caterson also - maybe I'll get some results!!  :P :P


Annie,

Did you spot the 80 year old widow Mary CRAWFORD living with Robert & Jane in 1871?  She is down as a visitor born in Belfast.  Do you suppose she was a relation?  Probably too old to be either Robert or Jane's mother.  Grandma perhaps?

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 03 March 06 00:33 GMT (UK) »


We can't find out who she is though!! - for months I thought she was "mother Janes " mother - and it ended up I couldn't find out anything!!

So I'm stymied!!

 :)
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« Reply #16 on: Friday 03 March 06 02:11 GMT (UK) »




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In comparison with most other Irish counties, Donegal has
fewer records of value to family historians. This makes it important to use the existing records to their best advantage. Donegal families are a mixture of native Gaelic families, of Scots-Irish families who came to Donegal from the 17th century onward. It is also one of the counties which experienced a high level of emigration to North America and elsewhere.


I'm so excited!! - I've found Caterson in Donegal!!  :P :P :P :P and Crawfords !!

http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ShowFreePage.php?id=116

Check Doonan - I wish I knew what I was doing - does anybody know ??

Annie  :)

PS Al - there's Creighton there!!
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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #17 on: Friday 03 March 06 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello annie,

I had a similar Liverpool problem with a lack of registered births. I believed that I had found "my" family, but how to tie them in, as it were? How to prove that they were in fact siblings?
 
Well, all I could come up with was buying the marriage certificates of those that I believed to be siblings, and hope that the father's name and occupation were the same as for my direct ancestor. I already had the marriage certificate of my own direct ancestor, so I bought a couple more of the supposed siblings. Well, it worked - albeit it was a bit of an expensive way of doing it.

But then, it was my direct line, so it was definitely worth it. Otherwise, I would still be wondering.
It proved that they were "a family".
Of course, it did not verify the mother's maiden name.
But that may yet be possible, if I find even one of the birth certificates of the siblings.

Good luck with your search,

UKgirl

P.S. What I should have pointed out was that the occupation at the time of marriage was quite different from that on the Censuses. For that reason I could not be sure that it was the same family, until confirming that the other siblings showed the same father with the same change of career. Then it was sure that they were members of the same family.
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