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My Rustic Rhymer
« on: Tuesday 14 March 06 12:29 GMT (UK) »
I just had to share this with everyone!

In the post this morning I received photocopies of a booklet of poems published in 1839 by my 4 x g.grandfather.  He was a handloom weaver who raised 13 children.  The shortest is this:

A FRAGMENT

Amongst the millions that are gone,
Before that you this great world knew,
Expand your mind, there was not one,
That thought and talked and looked like you.

If you could search creation round,
Identifying all you see;
A mortal man would not be found,
In all respects the same as me.


Glenys
Clifton - Kirkham, Garstang, Lancs
Benson - Greenhalgh, Lancs
Hankinson - Freckleton, Lancs
Roobottom - Barnsley, W.Yorks
Drelincourt - Ireland
McLintock - Barnsley, w.Yorks
Catlow - Colne, Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bowker - Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bambridge - Stebbing, Essex
Lagden - Thaxted, Stebbing, Essex
Perry - Stebbing, Essex
Wileber - Farcet, Huntingdon
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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 March 06 13:27 GMT (UK) »


That's lovely Glenys, you should post some more of his poems.


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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 March 06 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Would I be in breach of copyright?

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Clifton - Kirkham, Garstang, Lancs
Benson - Greenhalgh, Lancs
Hankinson - Freckleton, Lancs
Roobottom - Barnsley, W.Yorks
Drelincourt - Ireland
McLintock - Barnsley, w.Yorks
Catlow - Colne, Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bowker - Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bambridge - Stebbing, Essex
Lagden - Thaxted, Stebbing, Essex
Perry - Stebbing, Essex
Wileber - Farcet, Huntingdon
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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 March 06 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Glenys,
I believe that copyright applies until 70 years after the death of the author - I'm sure there must be somebody on here that can confirm this

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Maguire - Dublin
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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 March 06 12:51 GMT (UK) »
That's super Glenys.

I was under the impresseion that if you put the person's name after the poem, you weren't infringing copyright, though I could be wrong.  There is a copyright editor on RC, PM Sarah or Trystan to ask.

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Barnett Altrincham/Manchester
Bates Hindley Lancs
Bowyer Altrincham Cheshire
Cunliffe Hindley
Hollingworth Hale Barnes/Mobberley Ches
Jones Salford/Altrincham
Ramsdale Hindley Lancs
Timperley Warburton/Dunham Massey
Yarwood Great Budworth,Lymm,Dumham Massey

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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 March 06 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Glenys

The poem is lovely thank you for sharing it with us.

I think Carra is right, this link to a copyright discussion may also help to put your mind at rest

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,101563.0.html

Look forward to hearing more from  ??? what was his name  ???

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BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester
FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London
BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester
DERICK ~ France
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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 March 06 13:10 GMT (UK) »
This gentleman was a very eloquent, sensitive man. Do you know whether he made any money from the publications? Poem very much echoes Rupert Brooke or similar poet.
In memory of 29184 Jones, Pte, 7th Bn DCLI d. 12/02/1914. Remembered, Frank.

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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 March 06 17:44 GMT (UK) »
I think he was quite remarkable and I wish I'd known him.  His name was Robert McLintock and apparently he ran away from home in Glasgow when he was about 15 (I'd love to know why) and finished up in Barnsley, South Yorkshire.   He and his wife raised 13 children, one of whom became extremely successful, establishing a quilt manufacturing business.  This was not my ancestor alas but one of the poems is, I believe, directed towards this particular son.

The poems range from typical rustic rhymes to an allegorical poem about the 1820 Radicals March in Barnsley, interspersed with his thoughts on gluttony, drunkenness, child chimney sweeps and the local town clock.

I think I can assume that there would not be any copyright involved now - Robert has been dead since 1858 and the following might be of
interest to anyone researching the surname Strutt in the Barnsley area. It also gives an idea of the sort of food available in the early 19th century.

STRUTT'S PIE

When Strutt brought in the pie and plate
I then began to cut and eat;
I cut a piece, a good large wedge,
And with my teeth I did engage.
I chewed it small and then did swallow,
And it went down into a hollow.

This pie was very sweet and sound;
A better pie could not be found.
It was not made of offal bits,
Such as the dog or cat oft gets;
It was not tough like old shoe leather;
In Yorkshire there was not a better.
It did not hang between my teeth,
Like old ram mutton or bull beef;
But it was made of good fat pork,
There ne'er was better on a fork.
Such pies shall always be my choice,
They almost tremble with my voice.

With this good pie, and good brown ale,
I keep my face from looking pale:
It makes me look both fresh and ruddy -
It is not like the Scotchman's crowdy.
The Scotchman's crowdy and hodge podge,
Shall never in my stomach lodge
When pinched with hunger, I will cry
Give me some more of Ben Strutt's pie.

Robert McLintock 1769 - 1858
Clifton - Kirkham, Garstang, Lancs
Benson - Greenhalgh, Lancs
Hankinson - Freckleton, Lancs
Roobottom - Barnsley, W.Yorks
Drelincourt - Ireland
McLintock - Barnsley, w.Yorks
Catlow - Colne, Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bowker - Newchurch-in-Pendle, Lancs
Bambridge - Stebbing, Essex
Lagden - Thaxted, Stebbing, Essex
Perry - Stebbing, Essex
Wileber - Farcet, Huntingdon
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Re: My Rustic Rhymer
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 March 06 09:13 GMT (UK) »



Oooooooh, my mouths watering at the thought of one of those Strutts Pie's.    Didn't he paint a picture though!!
Please post some more, they're lovely.

Barbara              8)
Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.<br />Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden<br />Lamb In Bolton and Ireland<br />Grundy In Bolton<br />Blackledge In Bolton<br />Osbaldeston  ?? ??<br />Barnett in Islington<br />Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton