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BARGEMEN
« on: Thursday 16 March 06 18:21 GMT (UK) »
yes my g/dad william helps was a canal-boatman as was is dad john helps when william married isabella taylor (her dad james taylor also a boatman) on
6th feb 1897 age 23 her 21 @  st james the less church in ancoats manchester
alas im unable to trace is birth if you can help in any way i would be very grateful

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BARGEMEN or LIGHTERMEN
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 March 06 04:19 BST (UK) »
Isn't another term used the "lightermen".
Zelley,  Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent,  Devon
North Wales          

The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations

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Re: BARGEMEN
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 March 06 09:28 BST (UK) »
I think you will find that lightermen handled the large flat bottom boats used in the loading and unloading of ocean going ships.

The term bargeman is of course fairly general as it can be used to refer to operators of narrow boats and the barges used on tidal rivers.  Similarly canal boatman can extend beyond narrow boats to operators of boats on places like the Manchester Ship Canal.  Knowing which your ancestor was, should help with location because only the narrow boatmen would have moved all over the country living on their boats

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Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: BARGEMEN
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 March 06 11:27 BST (UK) »
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MANY OF THE BARGEMEN
were listed in pre-1881 Census as plain old boatmen,  Therfore,
one needs to know the location where they live, that would provide clues whether the boatman was working the canal boats, barges or were the lightermen working on the Thames.

Some London based lightermen included Albert Smith,
William Brampton of Bow and Charles Digby.  But, even folks from places like Sculcoates were called lighterman such as Thomas Townsley.
Zelley,  Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent,  Devon
North Wales          

The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations

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Re: BARGEMEN
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 November 07 15:07 GMT (UK) »
I've been researching the SHILLITO family of Yorkshire where at least 3  generations appear to have been variously recorded as bargeman/lighterman/barge owner, etc.  They appear to have plied the waterways from York to Hull to Goole (where they were in the 1881 census) and the Goole museum was very helpful with background info. - the website is worth a look! On the night of the 1881 census there appear to have been a vast array of various types of shipping in port - worth a read if you're interested.

Any other useful website links would be welcomed.
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