Raban/Rabone/Rawbone/Rathbone

[Sandyq]

Can any kind person out there offer me some inspiration please ?

One of my ancestors is Joseph Rabone

He is on the 1851 Census as a boatman on Wharf at Aston, Birmingham and he gives his age as 52 and born at Studley, Warks
There is a Joseph Raban on the LDS site bap at Studley 10th June 1798
 (unfortunately the spelling of name keeps altering making it really difficult to trace) son of Samuel and Mary Raban which is probably him.
The family seem to revolve around Studley (Warwks) and Alvechurch (Worcs) -
not sure how far away these 2 places are.
I paid a Researcher dealing with Worcester and he found baptism records
(which are not on the LDS site) as follows

15.5.1796 Diana - daughter of Samuel and Mary Rawbone bap. Alvechurch
  2.6.1805 Samuel    son            "                  "            "                     "
11.10.1812 Patience and Ruth   "                  "     Rathbone  "

He couldn't help with Joseph as Studley comes under Warwickshire

I believe they all could be the children of the same Samuel and Mary- but am at a loss to know how to confirm or not.
On the LDS site there is a marriage of Samuel Rabone and Mary Pimley at St. Martins Birmingham on 19th June 1796 - and there are 3 sons William,George and Samuel all bap. at Birmingham with that parentage.
I suppose they could be the parents of my Joseph but I can't imagine they
married in Birmingham, had their first son at Studley and then their next 3 sons back at Birmingham.
Have had no joy at finding  marriage  of  another Samuel and Mary (checked LDS and Pallots) but they must exist if they have the children born at Alvechurch.
Would really appreciate an opinion and fresh pair of eyes as I seem to be going around in circles
Many thanks
Sandy Q

[jim1]

Hello Sandy
I see your dilemma.Maybe I can clarify it for you.B'ham is on an extensive canal system and reaches all over the UK via the river system including Alvechurch which to this day has a well known wharf for repairing canal barges and Studley not far away had a thriving needle industry.I can well see boatmen plying their trade between Studley and B'ham via Alvechurch.
Rabone(Raban) is not a Studley name but there are a large number in St.Martin's going back several decades. They could have been based in Gas St. Basin which may be in the Parish of St.Martin's as it is close by.Apart from digging up bodies and taking DNA we can never be sure but I would say what you have is closer to a probability than a possibility.That is to say that you have 2 families,children wouldn't have been baptised twice.
I'll have a look around and see if I can find the other Samuel & Mary.
Hope this helps.
Regards Jim

[Sandyq]

Thanks Jim... that would be great

Sandyq

[jim1]

Hello Sandy
This is your family in 1841:
Aston Rd.
Joseph Rabone/40/boatman/War.
Elizabeth/35/NIC
Samuel/14/boatboy/NIC
Thomas/11/boatboy/NIC
Joseph/7/NIC
John/5/WAR.
William/4/War.
Patience/2/War.
Mary/4m/War.
It seems from 1835 onwards they were based in B'ham and prior to that outside the County which fits in with what you have already.
Found these in Alvechurch:
CH:
Samuel Rabbon/25/12/1828
Charles Rabbon/24/6/1832
Parents:
Joseph & Elizabeth
Searched th NBI and they are definitely not an Alvechurch/Studley family.
As his eldest son is Samuel this would indicate that Joseph father was as well.There is also a sister Patience the same as his daughter.
I think this is your family and Joseph's father is Samuel.
In 1841 Joseph was living in Aston rd. which bridged the B'ham &
fazeley canals,there was a wharf there called Aston Junction,this is probably where they worked.
Joseph may have spent time living on the boat and as the family grew (after 1835) moved onto dry land.
Does this help?
Regards Jim

[Sandyq]

Hi Jim,

Thanks very much for your time and effort - much appreciated.
I was just about to send you a message when yours came through.
I joined Stepping Stones earlier today and looked up the 1841 census for Worcestershire and found Samuel and Mary Rabone on it living in Alvechurch (HO107/1199/7
Samuel is shown as 79 (has been altered so not clear) and an Ag.Labourer and Mary as 65 which would be in the right age group to be Joseph's parents.
Samuel is shown as not being of this county but Mary is.
I can not find either of them on the 1851 census but neither can I find their deaths registered.
Although I'm pleased to have found them I don't know that it helps me much
unless I'm being especially thick !
The data you kindly provided is the right family and it is Joseph and Elizabeths son John aged 5 on there that is my gt grandfather.
Any suggestions to how I could try and find a marriage record for Samuel and Mary as it appears this is not the Mary Pimley who married Samuel Rabone in B.Ham  1796-or is it ?
Would really value your opinion and thanks again
Sandra

[jim1]

Yes that looks like them.I'll have to think about the next step apart from searching at the Records Office.What is stepping stones? I've not come across that one.
Jim

[jim1]

Hello Sandra
The closest Samuel I can find outside War. is this:
Samuel Rabone/b.1/10/1768/Fa.Michael/Ma.Eliz.Smith./Wolverley/Worcs.
Although he seems to have spent a large part of his life in Alvechurch you know he isn't from there.
I think you are at the stage where you need to search the records for St.Martins,Studley & Alvechurch for the birth & marriage of Samuel and try and disprove what you have.If Samuel was a boatman prior to 1841 this would account for his various addresses.
I wouldn't discount Samuel & Mary Pimley yet as they are the only ones you have.
Searching all these records is going to be very time consuming as they are in 3 locations,4 if you add Wolverley.
Regards Jim

[Sandyq]

Hello Jim,

Thanks for your continued interest - Stepping Stones is the only site I know of that you can view some counties for the 1841 Census online.
It's not well covered by any means - but it  did have Alvechurch in Worcs.
If you go in to
www.stepping-stones.co.uk
and click on the 1841 census at top of home page you can see which counties can be viewed online. If there's anything relevant to your research just let me know and I'll give you my log on details so you can have a look - I have plenty of credits left - it's certainly less tedious than sitting in a library looking at micro fiche data.
Regarding Samuel on the 1841 Census for Alvechurch Worcestershire - don't think he can be the one born at Wolverley because that too is Worcestershire
and he states he is not of that county.
I found it very confusing because although Alvechuch and Studley are close, one is Worcestershire and the other Warwickshire.
I think you're right that I need to search Studley and St. Martins which are both in Warwickshire -would I have to go down to Warwick or is there some other way I could find this info. out ?

Many thanks
Sandra

[jim1]

Hi Sandra
I think you may have to go to B'ham & Warwick or get the research done for you which will be costly.I don't see any other way.
Regards Jim