The LEAF Family from HOWDEN

[mauritius]

Hi
Have just found out that my paternal great grandmother was a Mary Elizabeth Leaf born 1839 in Howden-daughter of Henry Leaf and Elizabeth(nee Barr) Henry was a veterinary surgeon in Howden.
GGrandmother Mary married William Padget)T) of Howden in 1865 in Westminster-they later lived in Eastbourne.
Cannot find Mary Elizabeth on 1861 census -can any one help?
Also can anyone help with the siblings of GGGrandfather Henry born abt 1814 in Howden -parents, siblings etc .
Many thanks in hopeful anticipation
Ann

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Ann,

Your posting reminded me of something I had seen in the UK-BMD Newsletter for Yorkshire.

no idea of Yorkshire geography, so I don't know if this is anywhere near where you are looking

Dear all,

tonight's update to the Yorkshire BMD site is 12,009 births
from York Register Office, Micklegate, 1885-1901
Thanks to Pam Elliott and colleagues for these.

This batch includes the birth of Ivy LEAF and some probable
siblings, Fern LEAF, Basil LEAF, Daisy LEAF and Laurel LEAF.
What would you make of it if you had those LEAFs on branches
of your family tree ?

regards,
Ian Hartas

this comment provoked the following replies from other Listers:

- Did they all die in the Autumn ? ? ? ?

- Unbeleafable!!

- and:

Had to check for this family out of curiosity: and Ian... you
missed the best name of the "bunch", little Adams Smiley)

1891:
Source information: RG12/3887
Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Folio: 103
Page: 11

Leaf, James38Swin Broingter, YorkshireHead St Mary Bishopshill Junior
Yorkshire
Leaf, Margaret A29ChesterWife St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Joseph J17YorkshireSon St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Violet11YorkshireDaughter St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Lily9YorkshireDaughter St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Fern5YorkshireSon St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Daisy3YorkshireDaughter St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire
Leaf, Adams1YorkshireSon St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24970.msg125715.html#msg125715

Hope this helps, and even if doesn't help, that at least it gives you a chuckle,
Bob

[Sisterjane]

I wonder if this could possibly be her , Im not sure but one just never know.
Indexed as Senf but if you squish and jiggle it about a bit it could say Leaf
1861- Salford
RG9/2920-77-40
Black Parade

Elizabeth 45 Un Assistant b Howden   Drapers Assistant
Mary E 22 Un          "                  "         Milliner

Head of house is William Standiforth and his wife Ann

Joe

[Sisterjane]

Scrub that last post as i have found them in 61 apart from Mary E

Sorry

[Sasha]

Have you seen the Leaf baptisms on the IGI for Providence Independent or Congregational, Howden (batch no. C088381)?

There are the following children, all born to Edward and Mary Leaf.

Ann 05 Sep 1805
William 27 Sep 1807
John 15 Oct 1809
Mary 22 Dec 1811
Henery 26 Jan 1814
Elizabeth 01 Dec 1815
Sarah 13 Jun 1819

I've only got the census index to the 1851 Howden census but it gives the following two LEAFE families and the dates would seem to fit Henry (born 1814) and William (born 1807).

(Howden HO 107/2358/230)

Henry age 37 born Howden
Elizabeth age 37 born Bubwith
Mary Elizabeth age 11 born Howden
Sarah Ann age 9 born Howden
Emma Judith age 7 born Howden
Ada Alice age 5 born Howden
John Edward age 3 born Howden

(Howden HO 107/2358/289)

William age 43 born Howden
Jane age 43 born Bishop Castle SAL
Sarah age 16 born Selby
Mary age 13 born London MDX
Edward age 11 born London MDX
Harriet age 6 born Howden
Ann age 8 born Howden
William age 4 born Howden

Hope some of this is of use.

Jo.

[mauritius]

Hi Joe
Thanks and I have been thinking-an unusual pastime but I do now and again!-Haven't had time to check it out but in all probability the entries on the census 1861 Salford could be the Leafs-this could be Henry's sister Elizabeth-age would fit and Mary Elizabeth could have been working with her aunt!!!!!
Thanks also for the other information re Henry's brother William-this is of specific interest as I note two of his children were born in Middlesex and this is where Mary Elizabeth married Great Grandad William Padget in 1865 and where their first child Sarah was born a year later. I have spotted Leafs in Middlesex and there could well be a connection which I will endeavour to find.
Have a good weekend and thanks again for this information and lead which I shall be following up later today.
Ann Laurette

[stoneleaf]

Hi,

I've been looking into my own Leaf family tree, and came across your post - maybe there's information to share!

my ggg grandfather was William Leaf (b.1807), brother to Henry (b.1814). William married Jane Meyrick from Bishops Castle, Shropshire in 1830, and yes, two of their children were born in London, though I've yet to understand why. The family were back in Howden after that, as their other children were born there. William was a tailor/master tailor, as was Edward his father, and some of his children/grandchildren.

I've been trying to map out the other Leafs in Howden, and trying to see how they fit together. When I was looking at Henry and his branch of the family, I thought he married Elizabeth nee Richardson, from Bubwith, b.1814, and that it was one of their sons, John Edward, also a vet, who married Elizabeth nee Barr, b.1845 from Pickering.

Oh, and in Pigot's Directory  for Howden in 1834 Jane and Mary Leaf are registered as Milliners and Dress Makers in Church Yard, Howden. Mary could be one of the daughters of Edward and Mary, b.1811 (never married as far as I can tell, lived with Henry and family in some of the censuses), or Mary her mother. Jane could be the wife of William (the one nee Meyrick mentioned above), but I'm unsure. I can't find any references to what happened to John, b.1809, so don't know if and who he married, or when he died.

There seem to be links to Leafs in Sculcoates, and also York, but I haven't been able to figure them out yet. I've only traced back to Edward and Mary, parents of both William and Henry. Does any of all of the above help? Have you got any further with your own research?

Phew that's lots of bits of information and many unanswered thoughts!
all the best,
Helen

[mauritius]

Hello Helen
Well thanks so much for the information -I am afraid since  March when Joe replied to my post I have been sluggish with researching this branch of the family-mainly because we were on holiday in the UK for 2 months and since our return I have been sidetracked into pursuing another lead on my maternal tree. Energised with your reply and the fact that yet again I could well have found some new(well new to me) living relatives I shall buckle down to checking out what I have already and what else I can find and see how it matches with what you have told me. Could well be that we are related -albeit many times removed. My personal email is Email address removed by moderator to prevent spam - please contact by personal message(this is a Mauritius address as we live here) -if you would like to mail me with your email address I can send you what information I have and we can see how it all fits together-mine so far is very much related to the offspring of Mary E Leaf and William Padget but you will no doubt find it of interest-I have some contacts with other cousins descended from this marriage who will be interested to know that we may well have another 'cousin'.
Kind regards
Ann Laurette(nee Padget)

[stoneleaf]

Hi Ann,

well, I reckon we're related in that we share the common ancestors of Edward and Mary Leaf -our gggg grandparents. I'll email you so we can exchange more information,

all the best
Helen