What's the next step ???

[pierce-brosnan]

Hi listers,

Please could you suggest something I could try to further my research on the IOM?

I have the 1841 Manchester census for Edward Quayle & the 1841 & 1851 Manchester census for his wife Elizabeth Quayle (they seem to be deceased after then). 

I have their son's birth certificate dated 1840 Manchester - Edward son of Edward Quail & Elizabeth Quine

I found a marriage on the IGI for them in Braddon IOM on 5 August 1815 which I have asked for a look up on the manx website.  I know this wont give me much information so please - where do I go from here???

A very confused Vanda (Isle of Wight) 

[DJDouglass]

It would help to know the ages of Edward and Elizabeth in the censuses.
Also might help to know names of their other children--naming patterns.
Assuming, they were of legal age when married and this was first for both, there are 1/2 dozen possibilities for both Edward and Elizabeth.

Would presume they were buried in Manchester.  Perhaps burial records there would be of help.

Donna

[pierce-brosnan]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for replying 

I have the family on the 1841 census ...

1841 Census
Silver Street, Manchester, Lancashire
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Quayle Edward 45 Labourer No (born in country)
Quayle Elizabeth 40  No
Quayle Elizabeth 15 No
Quayle John 13 No
Quayle Robert 12 No
Quayle Anne 7 Yes
Quayle Jane 5 Yes
Quayle George 3 Yes
Quayle Edward 1 Yes

And again on the 1851 census ...

Chorlton-on-Medlock water damaged 1851 Census CD
Ecclesiastical District of All Saints
5 Lees Street Chorlton-on-Medlock

Robert Quale Head   2_ Manchester
Ann Quale Sister   17 Manchester
George Quale Brother 15 Packer Manchester
Edward Quale Brother 11 Errand Boy Manchester

I couldn't find the parents under the name of Quayle but I did find the following entry after an extensive search and I believe Elizabeth could be the mother??

1851 Census
23 Craven Street, Hulme (water damaged CD)

George Sherlock - head - M - 35 - Joiner & builder employing 3 men - Ireland
Jane Sherlock - wife - M 28 - Manchester
Esther Sherlock - daur - 7 - Manchester
Georgina Sherlock - daur - Manchester
William Hayman - lodger - Um - 32 - Clerk post office Manchester - Worcester
Mary A Neilds - Serv - Um - 18 - House servant - Staffs Edinghall
Elizabeth Quagh*** - Visitor - Widow - 52 - Isle of Man

Can't find her on 1861 census

I sent for a copy of the youngest sons birth certificate - Edward Quayle -
1st February 1840 - Edward Quail - parents Edward Quail & Elizabeth Quine - Labourer. 

I have also found the following baptisms on the IGI ...

John Quayle
Birth 8 Nov 1827
Bap 30 Apr 1828
Weslleyan Methodist, Ancots, Lancs
father Edward Quayle
Mother Elizabeth Quine
&
Robert Quayle
Birth 19 Mar 1829
Bap 30 Apr 1829
Oldham Street Wesleyan, Manchester
Father Edwd Quayle
Mother Elizh

I also found a marriage on the IGI ...

Edward Quayle & Eliz QUINE
05 AUG 1815 Braddan, Isle Of Man

A very kind person on the rootsweb list is looking up the baptisms at Manchester Library for me.

I am puzzled as to what to do next because I know the marriage won't give much information so any help or guidance would be truly appreciated - thank you again, Vanda (Isle of Wight)

[DJDouglass]

This is totally guesswork on my part using the info you have.

I'm fairly certain that Elizabeth was ch 21 Jul 1799 St George Douglas d/o Robert Quine and Jane Kinley/Kenley who md 27 Dec 1798 Lonan
Children:
ELIZABETH QUINE Christening: 21 JUL 1799 Saint George, Douglas
JOHN QUINE  Christening: 30 NOV 1800 Saint George, Douglas
MARGARET QUINEChristening: 05 AUG 1804 Lonan, Isle Of Man

There is a good possibility that Edward was ch 4 Sep 1791 Onchan s/o Edward Quayle and Isabel Kneale who md 21 Feb 1789 Onchan
Their other children were:
Isabel ch 11 Jul 1790 Onchan
Philip 20 May 1798 Onchan
William 13 Oct 1799 Onchan
Jane 8 Apr 1804 Onchan
This info was provided by an LDS member so may not be as reliable as parish records.
According to the info, Edward died 30 Jan 1844

The father Edward of Onchan died 11 Dec 1846

The info doesn't indicate WHERE either Edward died.
I didn't see any IOM wills for either of the above Edwards   

[pierce-brosnan]

Guess what Donna, I have the 2 baptism entries I told you about and your hunch is correct  ...

Wesleyan Methodist (Ancoats, Lancashire)
30th April 1828
John son of Edward Quayle of Pott St and Elizabeth,wife,daughter of Robert and Jane Quine
John DOB 8th November 1827

How cool is that !!

Am I right in thinking that St George, Douglas is in the parish of Braddon? or am I way off the mark?
Is Lonan near there?  Sorry for all the questions but I'm really excited 

Thank you for all your help, Vanda (Isle of Wight)

[DJDouglass]

St George's is in Douglas.   It was built in 1780 as St Matthew's couldn't handle the population of the time.

Lonan is the parish next northwest of Onchan.

Keep me posted!

Regards,
Donna

[pierce-brosnan]

Thanks Donna,

I have just found a map of Manx parishes on isle-of-man.com and I can see now where Lonan & Braddan etc are.  It would make sense if Edward Quayle lived somewhere nearby.

I had a look on FreeBMD to see if there was an Edward Quayle dying in 1844 but nothing came up so I searched ancestry and still nothing.  Does the Isle of Man have a similar death index do you know?  1844 would be the right decade for my Edward Quayles death as he was alive on the 1841 census but seems to be deceased by 1851.

Loads to ponder over, hope you don't mind me bugging you :O)  Do you live on the Island?

Best wishes Vanda (Isle of Wight)

[pierce-brosnan]

Hi Donna,

I've just found these on a Manx burials website which could rule out them being mine ...
QUAYLE, Edward  53  Onc  30 Jun 1844   
QUAYLE, Edward  82  Onc  11 Nov 1846 

Best wishes Vanda (Isle of Wight)

[DJDouglass]

Sorry about Edward Quayle.  Guess it was too easy.  There are still several others in the general time period.

No, I'm not on IOM.  I live in Gig Harbor, Washington USA and have never been to IOM. 

Donna