James Scott born Brigg Lincoln

[TinaS]

Hi

I have traced my husband's family back to James Scott c1832 born Brigg Lincoln, which I presume is Glanford Brigg.

I have no problem finding him in the later censuses, but he seems to have totally disappeared in the 1851 and the 1861 censuses (I checked on Ancestry.com), and I have no access to the 1841 census, so I am stuck.

Intrigued, I tried a number of times to find him or relatives.  I checked out who were born in Brigg with the surname Scott and when I tried to find them on the censuses they too were not listed.

The only ones that I could find born Brigg had moved out of Brigg.  My James had moved to Rotherham, where he raised his family.

Can anyone suggest what I can do to trace him.

Many thanks in advance.

Tina

[Geoff E]

I can't spot anyone fitting the facts you give, I'm afraid

As he had moved far(ish) from home there's always the possibility that he was born, or had lived, near Brigg in his childhood, rather than having been born in the town itself.

Have you found a marriage?  Was William the son of James - or Harriet - or both?

You need not consider the James SCOTT bap 1835 in Barnetby le Wold (close to Brigg) as he died in 1847 aged 11.

[TinaS]

Hi Geoff E

I know, it's very frustrating and I did think he might of been born close to Brigg and even thought I had found him with a father James, until I received the copy of his second marriage, which gave his Father's name as George Scott Ag Lab.

He had a son William c1853 from his first marriage, who was supposed to be born in Rotherham, but I could not find a suitable birth record, but I did find one for Sept 1854 in Caistor.

I have wonder if it is possible that the Glanford Brigg Census is incomplete.

As I said I have found that none of the Scotts who are born Glanford Brigg can be found:

Charles Scott 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep    Glanford Brigg
Hannah Scott 1838 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Frederick Scott 1840 Jan-Feb-Mar    Glanford Brigg
Frances Ann Scott 1842 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Alfred Scott 1843 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Rebecca Jane Scott 1843 Jul-Aug-Sep    Glanford Brigg
Alfred Scott 1844 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Frederick Scott 1844 Jan-Feb-Mar    Glanford Brigg
Moses Scott 1844 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Ann Scott 1845 Jan-Feb-Mar    Glanford Brigg
Caroline Scott 1846 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Mary Hindley Scott 1846 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Rebecca Scott 1846 Jul-Aug-Sep    Glanford Brigg
James Scott 1847 Jul-Aug-Sep    Glanford Brigg
Mary Scott 1847 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Sarah Scott 1847 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Thomas Scott 1847 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Ann Elizabeth Scott 1848 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
James William Scott 1848 Oct-Nov-Dec    Glanford Brigg
Male Scott 1848 Jan-Feb-Mar    Glanford Brigg
Tom Scott 1848 Jan-Feb-Mar    Glanford Brigg
Walter Scott 1848 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Sarah Scott 1849 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg
Charles Scott 1850 Apr-May-Jun    Glanford Brigg

Now, some might have died and some of the females will probably have married, but surely a few of them would show in the censuses.

I have searched each census with just Scott and birthplace Lincolnshire Brigg and can only find those who have moved away from Brigg:

None show in the 1851 census;
1861 census: Mary Scott c1845 shows and she is in Yorkshire,
1871 census: My James shows and Christopher c1846 in Kent,
1881 census: My James and Eliza c1867 is in Lancashire,
1891 census: My James and John c1891 in Scawby Lincs, and
Jospeh 1846 is in Lancashire.

So, I think the census records cannot be complete as some of the Scotts born in Brigg should show, and some must still be in the same town/village or hamlet that is not covered.

Is there a way of finding out?

Any help gratefully received.

Regards

Tina



 

[Geoff E]

You must remember that the Reg Dist of Glanford Brigg covered all of these places

Glanford Brigg
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Barton; Brigg; Winterton
GRO volumes : XIV (1837-51); 7a (1852-1930).

    Alkborough, Appleby, Ashby, Barnetby-le-Wold, Barrow upon Humber, Barton upon Humber, Bonby, Bottesford, Broughton, Brumby, Burringham, Burton upon Stather, Cadney cum Howsham, Cleatham, Croxton, Crosby, East Butterwick, East Halton, Elsham, Flixborough, Frodingham, Glanford Brigg, Goxhill, Gunnes, Hibaldstow, Holme, Horkstow, Kirton in Lindsey, Kirmington, Manton, Melton Ross, Messingham, Newstead, North Killingholme, Raventhorpe, Redbourne, Roxby cum Risby, Saxby, Scawby, Scunthorpe, South Ferriby, South Killingholme, Thornton Curtis, Twigmore, Ulceby, West Halton, Whitton, Winteringham, Winterton, Wootton, Worlaby, Wrawby, Yaddlethorpe.

[TinaS]

True Geoff,

But, not only did I view the Glanford Brigg registration areas for 1851 and 1861 on Ancestry.com (every single page); but after I first posted here I joined Stepping Stones and viewed:

1851 Census / 1851 - Lincolnshire / Film No: 2116A. (1-381 pages)
and
1851 Census / 1851 - Lincolnshire / Film No: 2116B. (382-773 pages)

So, I think I have covered every single area in Glanford Brigg.

My head is still spinning and yes I found a few Scotts there, but not one was born in Brigg.

So I still think the problem is in the coverage.

Help please!!

Tina

[Geoff E]

I've looked at every SCOTT indexed in the Glanford Brigg district in the 1841 census.  I found one James (aged 40) and one George - the one who married in Winterton in 1835 (eldest child was 5).

but after I first posted here I joined Stepping Stones and viewed:

1851 Census / 1851 - Lincolnshire / Film No: 2116A. (1-381 pages)
and
1851 Census / 1851 - Lincolnshire / Film No: 2116B. (382-773 pages)

Not wishing to dishearten you in any way, but Glanford Brigg district also included 2117 (Winterton) and 2118 (Barton).  Still, if the family weren't in the district in 1841, they probably weren't in 1851 either.

[TinaS]

Thanks for looking Geoff,

But, my point is could you find any of the other Scotts born in Glanford Brigg?

If it is simply a matter of my James going missing I might think it a matter of enumerator or transcription error or just bad luck, but to have a group go missing makes me think this is something else.

And what I would like to know is how do I get around it?

Regards

Tina

[Geoff E]

I suggest you read this page-

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Brigg/

I'll draw your attention to two points-

"Many early census returns will be listed under Wrawby."

"Many of the Wrawby records are of watermen who travelled the inland water circuits of the county."  Is that a possibility?

[TinaS]

Hi again

I would think it very unlikely that he is a waterman as in the first census he appears in, 1871 he is a brass finisher.

I think I must think about all you have said and come back as I have to compile a file for my mother-in-law for her side and time is running out.

If anyone else has a comment please don't hesitate to suggest something.

Regards

Tina