Isaac Jones 1841

[Cinders59]

Hi
Could someone look for an Isaac Jones, possibly living with a daughter Alice, she was born 1840, Isaac was a miner.
That is all the information I have sorry.
Julie

[Kazza]

Hi Julie,

I have access to the 1841 microfilm of the images only,  it is unindexed.  If you can give me a reference or an address I could look,  but the whole county looking for a Jones is an impossibility.

Have you got them in 1851 or '61,  that may give an idea where to start.

Kazza.

[Cinders59]

kazza.

I have no reference for the 1851, 1861 1871, census.
All I know is what is on the marriage cert of his daughter.
In 1871 she was married, her father was deceased, I have tried tracing Alice, on the Glam 1841 census, the nearest to her is one where she is living within a family of Lewis's  but listed on her own at age 6 mths. It states she was born out of county. I can't find her on the 1851 but in 1861 she is a servant born in  Cillibebyll, in 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, she is born in Llanguike.
So now I am hoping to trace her through her father, and that she was born in Brecon, and having been brought up in Glam, from 6 months had always assumed that is where she was from. what a job.
Julie

[Kazza]

Julie,

As I have the '51 indexed version I took a look on it.  Just on the off-chance we could find them and work back.

All of the Alice Jones:

JONES, Alice, sv, u, 35, servant, BRE Defynnog, Pwll-y-cwm, 90/f584/p20
JONES, Alice, w, m, 22, , BRE Talgarth, Ty Ciss, 90/f38/p4,
JONES, Alice, w, m, 45, , BRE Merthyr Cynog, Boundary St, 90/f206/p5
JONES, Alice , h , m , 64 , Annuitant , BRE Llangattock , High Street , 90/f643/p6
JONES, Alise , h , w , 64 , Butcheress , BRE Crickhowell , Bridge Street , 90/f657/p34
JONES Alice, d, u, 29, , BRE Llanelieu, Blaenau, 91/f104/p20
JONES Alice, ld, u, 18, scholar, BRE Senny , Three Cocks Street, 89/f412/p9
JONES Alice, sv , u , 12, house servant, BRE Vaynor, Bragdy, 59/ 776 076

This one is in a household enumerated in Glamorgan,  but it is a parish within Breconshire:

1851 Census of Glamorgan
Merthyr Tydfil Enumeration District HO107:2459
Parish of Faenor (Vainor)

MAYSEY Thomas, h , m  , 32, quarryman, GLA Llanishen, Bragdy, 776 076
MAYSEY Maria, w , m  , 32, quarryman's wife, PEM Manorbier, Bragdy, 776 076
MAYSEY James Lloyd, s , u, 2, -, BRE Vaynor, Bragdy, 776 076
MAYSEY Catherine Mary, d , u, 1, -, BRE Vaynor, Bragdy, 776 076
JONES Alice, sv , u  , 12, house servant, BRE Vaynor, Bragdy, 776 076

Kazza.

[Kazza]

These are all the Issac Jones from the '51:

JONES, Isaac, s, u, 1, , BRE, Beaufort , 90/f238/p13
JONES, Isaac, sv, u, 17, tailor, MON Llangun, Tretower Shop, 90/f42/p13
JONES, Isaac, br, u, 19, iron miner, BRE Llanelly, Daren-felen, 90/f406/p7
JONES, Isaac, gs, u, 7, scholar, BRE Llanelly, Merthyr Road, 90/f363/p22
JONES, Isaac, h, m, 39, coal miner, BRE Llanelly, Waun Lapria, 90/f390/p40
JONES, Isaac, ld, u, 19, iron mine haulier, BRE Llanelly, Waun-y-bychan, 90/f452/p37
JONES, Isaac, s, , 11, coal haulier, BRE Llanelly, Cwm-nant-gam, 90/f436/p5
JONES, isaac, s, u, 1m, , BRE Brynmawr, Bailey Street, 90/f217/p27
JONES, Isaac, s, u, 21, blacksmith, BRE Llanelly, Pen-y-bont Cottage, 90/f634/p34
JONES, Isaac, s, u, 9, , BRE, Beaufort, 90/f257/p51
JONES Isaac, h, m, 67, farmer 258 acres+, BRE LF Abergwesyn, Maesllech, 88/f67/p9
JONES Isaac, h, m, 62, ag lab, BRE Llanwrtyd, Bwlch-bach, 70/f459/p1
JONES Isaac, h, m, 56, letter carrier+, BRE Llanwrtyd, Dderwenining 2, 70/f471/p12
JONES Isaac, h, m, 55, farmer 60 acres +, CMN Myddfai, Bryn-ddu, 89/f170/p14
JONES Isaac, h, m, 49, farmer 30 acres, BRE Llanigon, Upper Island, 91/f247/p6
JONES Isaac, h , m , 40, quarryman, BRE Defynnog, High Street, 59/ 733 093
JONES Isaac, h , m, 31, ironstone miner, BRE Llywel , Cefn, Lower, 59/714 159
JONES Isaac, h, m, 26, farmer emp with father, BRE LF Abergwesyn, Maesllech, 88/f67/p9
JONES Isaac, h, m, 25, farmer 100 acres, BRE LF Abergwesyn, Trallwn, 88/f15/p7
JONES Isaac, Lab, u, 27, ag lab, DEN Abergele, Tynywain, 89/f9/p10
JONES Isaac, s, u, 48, mason, BRE Llanafanfawr, Penywaun, 88/f97/p8
JONES Isaac, s , u, 17, coal miner, GLA Merthyr Tydfil,Cefn, Lower, 59/711 134
JONES Isaac, s , -, 15, mine haulier, BRE Cefncoedycymmer,Cefn, Lower, 59/710 127
JONES Isaac, s, u, 14, , BRE LF Abergwesyn, Llwyngwnfel, 88/f84/p4
JONES Isaac, s, , 11, emp at home, BRE Llanwrtyd, Caemawr, 88/f30/p12
JONES Isaac, s, , 11, scholar, BRE Brecon, Ship Street, 89/f466/p9
JONES Isaac, s, , 11, , BRE Glasbury, Tyndrain, 91/f269/p4
JONES Isaac, s , -, 9, labourer ironworks, BRE Penderyn, Big Row, 60/007 020
JONES Isaac, s, u, 7, , BRE Llanlleonfel, Garth Mill, 88/f66/p7
JONES Isaac, s , -, 4, -, CMN Llandovery, High Street, 59/ 760 155
JONES Isaac, s, u, 1, , BRE Llanlleonfel, Maesllech, 88/f67/p9
JONES Isaac, sv, u, 21, general servant, BRE Builth, Kings Head Inn, 88/f259/p8
JONES Isaac, sv, u, 18, farm lab, BRE Llangamarch, Gludy, 89/f378/p23
JONES Isaac, sv, u, 15, farm servant, BRE LF Abergwesyn, Llwynowen, 88/f13/p4
JONES Isaac , sv, , 12, farm servant, BRE Llanwrtyd, Penycae, 88/f20/p17
JONES Isaac?, s, u, 21, farm servant, BRE Llanwrtyd, Dderwenining 2, 70/f471/p12
JONES Isack, s , u , 16, coal miner, CMN Llangadog, Henglyn Isaf, 64\050 006

If any look likely let me know and I can give you the household.  None will have an Alice of the right age with them though.

Kazza.

[Cinders59]

Hi Kazza.
My Isaac probably would have been born between 1800 and no later than about 1820 as Alice was born around 1840. The only other thing I can go by is the names of her daughters and that she might have named one of them after her mother, maybe then if I find a wife living with Isaac who has the same name I can search church records. Is there a wife named Mary, Hannah or Elizabeth Isaac was a coal minere at sometime in his life.

Many thanks
Julie

[Cinders59]

Hi Kazza.

Could you look to see if athere is an Isaac who is a miner ( I realise people changed their jobs) who had a wife either Mary Hannah or Elizabeth. Alice had daughters by that name.
She also had a daughter named Ann, I am assuming she was named after her mother in law, who was Ann

[Kazza]

OK,

I will do that.

Kazza.

[Kazza]

Hi again,

This is the only miner of any kind with a wife named Mary Hannah or Elizabeth.

Although it is a Glam ED it is a Breconshire Parish. 

1851 Census of Glamorgan
Merthyr Tydfil Enumeration District HO107:2459
Parish of Cefn-coed-y-cymer
JONES Isaac, h , m  , 31, ironstone miner, BRE Llywel , Cefn, Lower, 714 159 
JONES Mary, w , m  , 37, -, GLA Merthyr Tydfil, Cefn, Lower, 714 159 
JONES Edward, s , -  , 11, ironstone miner, MON [Trevethin] , Cefn, Lower, 714 159 
JONES John, s , -, 9, -, MON [Trevethin]  , Cefn, Lower, 714 159 
JONES William, s , -, 5, -, BRE Cefncoedycymmer, Cefn, Lower, 714 159 
HARRIS Anne, vs , -  , 26, general servant, CMN Llanwrda , Cefn, Lower, 714 159 

Kazza.