Need a challenge? try this one for a look up

[JAP]

The IGI has 174 hits for a name which combines spellings VELLANDER, VELENDER, VELENDAR, VELLENDER, VELINDER, VELLINDER, VELENDRE, VILLANER, VILLENDER - yes, nearly three-quarters are in Gloucestershire (all, at a glance, in the southern half of England - the rest being spread across Berkshire, Bucks, Devon, Hants, Kent, London, Northamptonshire, Oxford, Surrey ...)

If Charles actually was in the army in India, one wonders whether it would have been before he came to Australia, or in the period between say Winifred's birth in 1895 and his death in 1905.  There's a possible campaign before he came to Australia - the Second Anglo-Afghan War, 1878-1880.  A Google for
second + anglo-afghan + war
gets lots of hits including a list of regiments involved.

JAP

[Koromo]

I was thinking more on the lines that Charles Velinder might have been born in India (cf. Edward b. 1839 in Poona), in which case his father could have been in one of those regiments to do with the East India Company ... or something. Out of my depth here!

[JAP]

Hi Koromo, Yes, a birth in India had crossed my mind too - especially as there is no reliable place (or date) of birth for Charles V, and as his birth can't seem to be found in England.  Charles V did say (mc) that his father George was a Commercial Traveller.  But I guess there's no reason why George couldn't have been a Commercial Traveller in India.  Or couldn't have been with the East India Company before it was dissolved in 1858 (Googled again!) and have then become a Commercial Traveller - either in India or in England.  I just thought that, if Charles V's age on the dc is 57 and if that is roughly right, then he would have been of a suitable age to have served in the Second Anglo-Afghan War, 1878-1880 (the only campaign conducted out of India at a suitable time that I could find by Googling).  Grasping at straws, eh!  Cheers,  JAP

[Koromo]

Off on a wild tangent - found this on the RootsWeb message boards:

"The family legend has it that the Barnes' are related to Percy Fawcett, the explorer who disappeared in the Amazon in the 1920's, so I'm now trying to research Percy's family ... I know his parents, who were:

Edward Boyd Fawcett, born about 1840, in India. His occupation is given (somewhat bizarrely) as "Graduate M.A. F.R.G.S."
His wife was Myra Elizabeth MacDougall, born about 1846, also in India.
They were married in England in 1865; they weren't in Devon in 1851."

The F.R.G.S. might be Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society. I have found him on 1871/81 censuses with his wife.

Pity we can't link Charles V to Edward - a most interesting family, and a cricketer to boot!

K.

[AussieGenealogy]

So it looks like Charles E is a red herring ?? Darn!!

He looked so promising too.  I won't totally off load him as yet just in case?

So where on earth does one look for births in India?

And being born in such a "foreign" country back then surely someone would have remembered that when filling out the dc. It would have sounded so exotic then

I know the Velindar name is apparently from the Norse area, again I wouldn't know where to look, (would explain the fairness in the family then too LOL)

A photograph would help as well but no one in my family as one. Geez he certainly took some secrets to his grave didn't he as have the kids from his Aussie wife.

Hmmmmm, I am running out of ideas here.. I knew it would be a challenge but not this "bl...dy" hard!

[JAP]

Hi again AnnieCJ,

1. Perhaps if you obtained the 1889 UK death cert of Charles Edward FAWCETT, it would allow you to write off Charles Edward once and for all (it should state his occupation, and perhaps his wife or a parent might be the informant, etc ...).

2.  The fact that there is no mention on the 1905 WA death cert of Charles V.'s wife and four children (who, we know, were living in WA) shows that the informant knew virtually nothing about Charles V.  There's not even any mention of a middle name!  So all or any of his birthplace, his age, and the story of a marriage and daughters in England might or might not be true ...

3. As far as a birthplace of India sounding exotic back then, I'd think the opposite.  Leaving aside that isolated mining areas tended (then as now) to be full of people from very different backgrounds, India would have been a much more common birthplace for English people then than it is now - remember, one is going back to the days of the British Raj when there were many many expat Brits working, living and having children in India.

4. I'm still wondering whether the coroner's report and/or newspaper clipping have any other clues however seemingly insignificant.  And whether there was a death notice inserted in a newspaper somewhere in WA.  And whether there was a Will - or any papers relating to his estate.

JAP

[liverpool annie]

Theres a George Fawcett listed on medal roll for the Indian Mutiny 1857-1859. This lists all men who served in the British Forces in India during this period

Fawcett
George
Private
84th Foot (York & Lancaster)

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/MutinyF.htm

Whats interesting is the 84th were in Australia earlier than that !!

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/84thrs.htm

Thought you might like to go through these two sites Annie !!

Annie 

[AussieGenealogy]

Just wondering if the children referred to were the girls born in WA not in Yorkshire? But why wasn't the son mentioned?
Mary Ann was living in Albany WA at the time of his death perhaps they had separated? Then agan he could have gone "bush" to make his fortune and she stayed behind?
So many questions!
He states on the marriage certificate that he is a bachelor.

[rcuser]

Hi Annie,

Checked FreeBMD found this:-

Frank Edward Fawcett born DEC Qtr 1877 in Nottingham
Ethel Amy Fawcett born MAR Qtr 1880 in Nottingham
Harriet Northwood Fawcett born DEC Qtr 1883 in Nottingham

Frank Edward appears in a marriage record in the SEPT Qtr of 1903 at Nottingham
Ethel Amy appears in a marriage record in the SEPT Qtr of 1903 at Bingham

Hope this helps.

Best wishes

rcuser