Need a challenge? try this one for a look up

[Shirley Sweetland]

Hi Annie if you go to www.mcb.wa.gov.au (Metropolitan Cemetery board) and do a "search" you will find Charles Vallender Fawcett's death info:-

61 yrs old on 07/04/1905.

Also Charles Anthony Fawcett age 2 in 1909.

Just search also for Fawcetts and you will get a list.

Regards
Shirley
Perth
West oz

[AussieGenealogy]

OK this is what I know so far. basically covered everything here I think anyway

Charles V Fawcett born about 1848 in Yorkshire**

Fathers name George - Commercial traveller**

 2 daughters born in Yorkshire**

A possible marriage in Yorkshire**

occupation - Painter in UK** and miner in Australia.

Australian Wife Mary Ann possible informant for Death Certificate or Coroner

Family tells of him jumping ship - however no records to confirm this

On  re checking family files he arrived prior to 1887 as his marriage to Mary Ann Jones (1864 Whitechapel) was 22 March 1887 Charles V Fawcett born 3 November 1887.

Other children to follow were Sarah Beech Fawcett (1889), Leslie Roy (1892), and Winifred  (1894).
Beech comes from the mothers side.


Family tells of him being a great cricketer (especially in India)

family tells he spent time in India during time in army (which one I don't know) also no records to confirm

Australian wife re married August Ferguson (1857 West Aust) (still trying to locate this fellow) no children from this marriage - kids from 1st marriage kicked him out apparently
he was abusive to their mother.

he died in 1905 Mt.Morgan (near the Lime Kilns) buried in Mt.Morgan Cemetery

Mary ann remarried ferguson 4 November 1906.

Mary Ann is buried in Perth West Australia.

** Information gleaned from death certificate


(And I'm pickled and this is hard typing straight! lololol
too many bourbons tonight to be doing this)

I hope I haven't missed anything.........
better go sleep this off I think teheeeee

[AMBLY]

AnnieCJ!  ANNIECJ     :o   :o   :o
  How's the head?   

You are officially confirmed as a Genealogy Addict - coming home half-sloshed AND checking your emails AND typing up a reply - and if you hadn't of confessed at the end, we never would have guessed you'd done it on a dancing keyboard!!

And you did it well too! Thanks for the clear  information in a straight (time) line  , it truly does help build up the picture of the quarry and helps us diggers out here consider various search ideas.

I guess the death cert doesn't state who informed then and so  we assume the wife - the thinking was, if it was not her, it was someone who knew about the Yorkshire family....

The India / Army thing is a big clue so far as to his past!
So is the fact he was a painter in UK, not in Aussie.

Now:
Q1): on his marriage to Mary Ann JONES in Australia - what all does it say on that record? Places, names, parents, ages, witness', address's, ......

Q2) On his children's birth records, is there anything, no matter how small that adds to the above? Occupation? How he is referrred to ? Chas, Charles? etc etc

Q3) As Arranroots spotted, what is the Fawcett connection to Derbyshire - as far as we know from above,  all you have is info to say they came from Yorkshire?
Cheers
AMBLY

PS: Hi Shirley, I think you will find the burial you mention above for 1905 is actually 1949, and is the son of same name  in Karrakatta Cemetery. The father is in Mt Morgans Cemetery, as mentioned earlier.

[AMBLY]

As an aside, of interest I found this alternative site with a photo, for Mt Morgan Cemetery where Charles is buried:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~westaust/Mount%20Morgan/Morgcem.htm

For those of us used to the English cemeteries, the village churchyards, the urban, suburban style etc- the photgraph of Mt Morgan here  is a shock! I actually found it quite poignant....

AMBLY

[AussieGenealogy]

 Good Morning All!!!   

Head just fine Thanks

Anyway down to business


The marriage certicate states as follows



Bridegroom:             Charles Valendar Fawcett
U/or above 21yrs      Above 21yrs
Maritial status          Bachelor
Occupation               Painter
Address                   Perth
Fathers name         george Fawcett
Fathers Occup.        Commercial Traveller

Witnesses             John Montague
                              W McDonough
Rites Used              Weslyn Methodist Church
celebrants name    Thos. Bird


Grandfathers Birth Certificiate states

Charles valendar

male
Fathers name      Charles Valendar fawcett
Mothers name      mary Ann fawcett formally Jones
fathers Occup.     Painter
Informant              CV Fawcett Father
Registered            7th December 1887
Registrar               James Roe

Winnies is the same but Charles middle name is written as Balender  Occupation miner registered 1895 Jan 25th

A copy of his signature off the marriage certificate

[AussieGenealogy]

Almost forgot this bit

The connection to Derbyshire is a possiblity that his middle name wasn't Valendar but Edwin as I found one George Fawcett ,a Commercial Traveller born Derbyshire had a son Charles E Fawcett born Shropshire about 1849  occupation Printer not painter then a relestate agent in Nottinghamshire, he also had a brother George born Sneinton Nottinghamshire.
I have followed this Charles and he married a Mary had 2 daughters Harriet  N. and Ethel Amy also a son to this union Frank Edward.  Both girls born Yorkshire, Frank born in Nottinghamshire. Unsure of the wifes maiden name.

I have searched ancestry but can only locate him up to 1881 in 1901 all the kids are living with some one and there is no Mary or Charles to be found after that. In 1881 this Charles also had his mother living with him -  Ann.
This is the closet I've got to my Charles and I wonder if it is the same person.

My search for Charles Velinder (as per signature ?) is a last ditch effort to locate him.

[Arranroots]

One thing that strikes me from the new information you have supplied is the highly confident signature!

I notice that the candidate Charles E that you have followed is not a painter, but an estate agents' clerk: also a position requiring literacy.

The full BMD registers are now available online, so I would be inclined to look for the maiden name of Charles E's wife (could be that Vallender/ Vellender is a tribute to his deceased wife?); for the possible deaths of either Charles E and/or his wife, mayb e even Frank.

One might imagine a set of circumstances where a bereaved man sets out for a new life in Australia, possible intending to send for his family later.

I would try a post on the Emigrants to Oz board, in case someone there can help with ships' lists.  In this particular case, I am not sure that buying BMD certs would prove anything.

Meanwhile, still thinking...

A 

[AussieGenealogy]

Hi Arranroots,
I have managed to track Frank with a marriage in 1903 in Nottingham,Ethel married a William and I haven;t been able to track down Harriet as yet, being the baby of the 3 she obviously married after the 1901 census. I don't like the new BMD on Ancestry too many results when you do a search and my pc is a tad slow loading the images.

As you can see why I have been tracking the Charles E with interest. I have already tried the Oz ships group with no success, thats why I thought I'd try here as there are plenty more brains to pick.

[JAP]

Just for completeness.

Is this the 'other' Charles FAWCETT?

1881 census
33 Bruce Grove, Nottingham St Mary
FAWCETT Charles E, Head, 30, Estate Agents Clerk, b Shrewsbury Shropshire
Do Mary A., Wife, 25, b Bingham Shropshire
Do Frank E., Son, 3, b Nottingham
Do Ethel A., Daughter, 1, b Nottingham
Do Ann, Mother, 53, b Hyssington Shropshire

Presumably Charles is the following marriage:
FAWCETT Charles Edward, Mar qtr 1877, Bingham
There is a Mary on the page - Mary H GILMAN

And the children:
FAWCETT Frank Edward, Dec qtr 1877, Nottingham
FAWCETT Ethel Amy, Mar qtr 1880, Nottingham
and also
FAWCETT Harriet Northwood, Dec qtr 1883, Nottingham

If these are the right people, where did a Yorkshire birthplace for the girls come from? (Re-reading, I see it was from the death cert.)
Also, it seems that you have Charles and Mary past 1881 i.e. up to late 1883 for Mary, and 9 months earlier for Charles ...

There's a baptism in the IGI as follows:
FAWCETT Harriet Northwood, 9 Feb 1886, St Peter's Nottingham, parents Charles Edward FAWCETT and Mary Hannah
It might be worth looking at the film of the parish register to see if there are any more clues?

There's the following record in the IGI:
FAWCETT Charles Edward, b 24 Dec 1850, bap 9 Feb 1851, Saint Chad, Shrewsbury Shropshire, parents George FAWCETT and Ann

There is a marriage for a George FAWCETT, Mar qtr 1850, Shrewsbury.
The only Ann on the same page is Ann NORTHWOOD (which fits with Harriet's middle name).

The IGI has the baptism on 9 Dec 1827 of an Anne NORTHWOOD, Culmington Shropshire, parents George NORTHWOOD and Anne (there are three other of their children listed in the batch) - a possibility for the mother of Charles Edward (though the birthplace doesn't fit with the 1881 census).  There's a marriage of a George NORTHWOOD and an Ann MEYRICK in 1820 in Culmington.

Now turning to Mary GILMAN.
Mary Anna GILMAN, bap 18 Nov 1855, Bingham Nottinghamshire, parents Charles GILMAN and Sarah Anne (the IGI has some other children to this couple).
There's the marriage of a Charles GILMAN, Mar qtr 1850, Nottingham.  There is a Sarah Ann BARLOW on the same page.

But still no sign of anything like Velinder!

JAP
PS: There's the marriage of an Ethel Amy FAWCETT Sep qtr 1903 in Bingham - unfortunately both males on the page are named William