Eliza Parry

[Kim Pearce]

Hoping someone can help me.  Can anyone find any trace of an "Eliza Parry" born about 1842 in the Isle of Man?  Her parents may have been Jane and John Parry (she of Dumfries Scotland, he of Conway, Wales). 

[AussieGenealogy]

Found them in Wales in 1861

Eliza Parry  19    Isle of Man    Dau    stay Maker
John  #       64   Conway        Head   Master Mariner
Jane   #      46   Dumfries       Wife     Stay maker
Margaret # 12   Conway        Niece    Scholar

20 High Street

RG9/4342 Folio  5  Page 4
Carnarvon
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[Kim Pearce]

Thanks Annie.

Any suggestions on how to go back further?  I checked other census records and didn't seem to find them before or after the 1861 census.  I suspect that John Parry is actually Eliza's stepfather and am trying to confirm those suspicions.

Kim

[Daisypetal]

Hi Kim,

This looks like the it could be the above family in 1851, but there's no sign of Eliza 

HO107/2518 f.124 p.9 Bangor Caernarvonshire

High Street

John PARRY      Head      53  Sailor            Caernarvonshire Conyfig?     
Jane PARRY      Wife       35  Sailor's wife    Scotland
Thomas  PARY  Nephew     9    Nefew?        Caernarvonshire
Jane Roberts     Serv       23  Servant            "  "  Edam?

Regards
Daisy

[Daisypetal]

Hi Kim,

I also think I have found Jane PARRY in the 1871 census,

RG10/5719 f.6 p.4 Llanbeblig, Bangor, Caernarvonshire

33 High St

Jane PARRY*           Head   Widow  57  Staymaker            Scotland Dumfries
William HITCHINGS  Son-in-law Mar  31  Clerk at ??asssies? Cornwall Stithians
Elizabeth    "  "        Wife        Mar  28  Staymakerwife      Isle of Man Ramsey
Jane Thompson "  "   Daur        Un    3                      Caernarvonshire Caernarvon
Eliza Ann "  "           Daur        Un   10months                      "  "          "  "
Grace JONES           Serv        Un   19    Servant                "  "        "  "
Eliza Jane THOMAS   Serv       Un    14     "  "                       "  "        "  "

*mistranscribed as LAVY but looks like PARIY/PARRY when you look at the other Ls and Ps on the page,

So if Elizabeth is Eliza I'll try and Elizabeth PARRY in 1851, so far I was only looking for Eliza, Silly me  not to also look for the longer version, Elizabeth 

Regards
Daisy

[Kim Pearce]

A great big hug for you Daisy.   This is the correct family!!!   Eliza Ann Hitchings was my greatgrandmother.   Eliza(beth)'s marriage certificate to William Hitchings indicates that her former name was "Kneale" and her father's name was William.  This is what is leading me to suspect that John Parry was her step or adopted father.  Proving that suspicion is the challenge.

[Daisypetal]

Hi Kim,

Thanks for the hug 

So she could be Eliza(beth) KNEALE in the 1851 census, I was wondering if she was a THOMPSON  , because of her daughter Jane's name, where does that come in? is it relevant?

So it's a John PARRY- Jane KNEALE marriage needed to prove the challenge?

So many questions...

Daisy

[Kim Pearce]

I was thinking that she could have been a Thompson as well.  And I'm not sure if she ever married William Kneale (can't find this union anywhere).

Definitely lots of questions.  Hindered by the fact that John was born in Wales, Jane in Scotland, Eliza in IOM.  Where would the marriage have taken place?

I love a good mystery!

[Daisypetal]

Hi Kim,

I've just been looking at
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/

Where I found the following helpful  info
 
Born before marriage - Under Manx Law, until 1929, a child born out of wedlock but within two years of marriage was considered legitimate. These entries may be under the mother's name.


Illegitimate - the Manx custom was to give the surname of the father when known (and generally they were, as one of the midwives duties was to discover the father's name). The name of the father, if not in the Parish Register, can often be found from Presentments or from Chancery Court records when the mother applied for financial support. The IGI follows English custom in indexing under the mother's name if the parish register indicates illegitimacy.

I think I've confused myself 

Just to clarify, is this what's needed...

A birth of Eliza(beth) THOMPSON or KNEALE abt. 1843 Ramsey, daur of William KNEALE and Jane THOMPSON?

A marriage of Jane THOMPSON/KNEALE to John PARRY

If we are looking for a Jane THOMPSON b.Scotland I can see one in the 1841 Isle of Man census 

Daisy