Ursula Gaden - a major brickwall

[geniedi]

 One of my gt.grandfathers sisters was called Ursula Gaden, b. May 1873 in Burmington, Warwickshire

Her mother Lucy died in 1874, father Amos in 1876. Amos had married a Martha Williams, just three months before he died, he was only 25. Martha  had the children put into Ashley Down orphan house in Bristol. When my gt.grandfathers birth certificate was seen to show that he was born only 7 months into the marriage, he was refused admission and sent to the workhouse, at just 5

Ursula was admitted in November 1876 and dismissed in December 1890 into service with a Mrs. Davies of Under Hill House, Near Bridgend Glamorgan.

An 1891 entry on the Wales census is the only evidence I have found past that time.

I have searched the index's for a marriage or death and found nothing.

The spelling of Gaden is extremely variable. My maiden name is Geden. So basically anything goes.


Name:    Gaden, Wrgila Luna
Age in 1891:    17 
Relation:    Servant 
Gender:    Female 
Where Born:    Shipstone, Warwickshire
     
Civil parish:    Glyncorrwg 
Ecclesiastical parish:    Glyn corwg 
Town:     
County:    Glamorgan 
     
Source information:    RG12/4464
Registration district:    Neath 
Sub registration district:    Ystradvelltey 
ED, institution, or vessel:    9 
Folio:    103 
Page:    49

Interestingly everything I have on Ursula, her baptism, birth cert and entries for Ashley Down, never mention a middle name. The writing is so bad on this census I wonder if she took to using her mother Lucy's name as a middle name.

Her sister Sarah Ann left Ashley Down in 1891 and went briefly into service in Bristol, before returning to Burmington, where she subsequently had an illegitimate child in 1899 in the workhouse.

Ursula is a dead end.

Any information or help anyone can give me would be gratefully accepted.


I found an entry 1901 census of an Ursula Bunting and thought eureka, unfortunately when checking the marriage to William found the maiden name to be Hone. I then found a birth entry for an Ursula Hone, what a coincedence!!


Thansk Diane

[Tony Walton]

My first post - hope it reaches you!!

I have reliable info on Ursula as follows.

She married Frederick Jonas Tibbenham on 15th July 1906 at Forest Gate (West Ham RD). The reason you were unable to find the marriage was because her name is stated as Ursula Lucy GARDEN !

Frederick and Ursula at least 3 children - Lucy Mary. b1907; Lilly M. E. b 1911 and Daisy L. b 1913 all born at Forest Gate.

Ursula died in 1945 on the 13th June.

Her husband Frederick was born 1877 at Stratford (Essex) . He was a railway Guard.

My wife's mother's maiden name was also Geden originating from Tysoe, Warwickshire.

Hope this information is of use and you have not already got it.

Best wishes Tony

[geniedi]

Hello Tony,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I had eventually found the marriage, took ages!

I had the death and thought there were three daughter's although no hard dates on that.

Where does your wife fit into the tree, Ursula was my gt.grandfathers sister. Are we related 

I was also sent a picture which may be her with her three daughters, no confirmation on that. I am in contact with a direct relation to the other sister, Sarah.

Hope to hear back soon

Diane

[suzard]

Once Tony has made 3 posts you can use the PM facility if you wish to give details of the living -or exchange e addresses

Suz

[Tony Walton]

Hi Diane

Yes, you are a distant cousin of my wife, Vera. She is a direct descendant of Valentine Geden (1715 to 1798), the brother of Thomas (1704 - 1752) and son of William (1665 - 1729) who I think must be your direct ancestors.

Vera and I have had our tree on GenesReunited for about 3 years, during which we have made contact with quite a number of Geden relations. We hope, through RootsChat, that we can find some more.

Do let me know if you think we can help further in any way.

Best Regards

Tony

[geniedi]

Hi again, I am stuck on Richard and Frances. Have not been able to find a marriage for them. Have you had any luck getting further back?

I have not been on genes for a long time.

My father Robert recently died another Geden gone...

Also Sarah Anne, Ursula's sister is a stumbling block, for my other contact too.

[Tony Walton]

I haven't got precise marriage info for Richard Geydon (baptised in Banbury in 1629) and Frances (baptised in Tysoe in 1642), but based upon the baptism of their first son, William in 1661 ( taken from transcripts from Tysoe Parish records) their marriage about 1660 seems most likely.

Transcripts from Banbury Parish records also show his parents to be Richard Geydon (1603 to 1660) and Ann Sheapard (1604 to 1653) who were married in Banbury on 6th October 1625.

Unfortunately, many of the Tysoe records at and before this time are not easy to decipher - especially as some seem to be in Latin. However, my contact - now regrettably unavailable - had indicated that there was a marriage at Tysoe in 1605 of a Thomas Gaden to Agnes Darloe. Could these be the parents of Richard and Ann ?

Regards

Tony