Non Conformist church records ca 1800

[DerekB]

Hi Valda,
My cousin is going to go to check the Merchant Taylors records in the next couple of weeks. He was going to do so last year but discovered that they were unavailable while they were being moved from Guildhall to LMA while the Guildhall was reorganised, and has just not had time since they became available again.

You suggestion about NC marriages at churches outside of their area of residence does bring in additional possibilities. One is at St Andrew, Holborn between Thomas Jeffryes and Elizabeth Gerwin in 1798.

The missing Jeffryes marriages are Thomas and of his son James (my ancestors). Thomas would have married about 1800 and his son James about 1823.
James married Mary Temperance Arrowsmith (their last 3 children were born after 1837 so we have certificates).
Theirs is the second missing Jeffryes marriage, still no clues as to where that one took place.
James was baptised as an adult in 1839 age 36 at St Matthew BG.  He is a weaver on the baptism records of his early children before 1830, after that he is an Undertaker. Could this have something to do with his baptism?
There are other records that I have found of Jeffryes being baptised as adults and one of them is an undertaker as well.
One of James sons William went on to become a City Missionary and preached on the steps of the Royal Exchange and the main post office.

Both James and Mary Temperance were buried at Abney Park. I do have a copy of the Abney Park burrials index thanks.
They were in the undertaking business and their son James was a co-founder of Manor Park Cemetery.
Thomas also became an Undertaker late in life and may have founded the family business and got his sons involved or it may have been started by his son or sons.
Kelly's directory lists the business but there is no history, just their names and the address.

Unfortunately I do not have an Adam Arrowsmith, but thanks for the info it may link in sometime.

The only deffinate Arrowsmith links I have are Mary Temperance's family she had brothers and sisters (mentioned in her will) but no Temperance mentioned.
Her parents were William Arrowsmith and Sarah (believed to be Sarah Trenell) married in 1798 at St Dunstan, Stepney.
William Arrowsmiths age from census and death cert puts his birth ca 1779 in Shoreditch but we have been unable to find any record of his birth so have no confirmed knowledge of his parents. It would be a real boost to find Williams birth record.
I have been looking for it for about 8 years, there are Arrowsmith descendants who have made a guess as to who he was but when I have challenged them to prove it they can't. So I will wait until I see it for my self, I do this to find out where I come from, not where I would like to have come from.

Regards
Derek

[Valda]

The Freemen's records moved from the Corporation of London record office, not from the Guildhall (the record office was around the back of the Guildhall). Though there was building works at the Guildhall it remained open and it has the deposited London Guild apprenticeship records.

Have you looked at this PCC will for Shoreditch

Description Will of Elizabeth Arrowsmith, Spinster of Saint Leonard Shoreditch , Middlesex
Date 22 January 1799
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1317 


Regards

Valda

[DerekB]

Have not looked at that will as I have no record of an Elizabeth Arrowsmith, have only looked for wills for know family.
There are an awfull lot of Arrowsmiths out there.
Regards
Derek

[casalguidi]

Hi Derek

When you get stuck like this, looking at wills for all those with the same surnames in the same area is often the way forward.  I'm not saying that it will be fruitful but it's something that needs to be checked ................ just in case one of your relatives is mentioned - you don't know until you look - and a relationship may be proved!

In addition, I would almost certainly investigate those Temperence ARROWSMITH marriages that Valda mentioned ............... it's an unusual name and they may turn out to be relatives somehow.

Best wishes

Casalguidi

[casalguidi]

From "The Times" 21 Sep 1846 ..............

William JEFFRYES a coffin maker and furnishing undertaker of 3 Leman Street, Whitechapel was the victim of threatening and abusive language from Samuel SHEEN, undertaker and proprietor of Sheen's Cemetery in Church Lane, Whitechapel ............... there's quite a write-up.

Is William one of yours?

Casalguidi

[Valda]

Temperance Arrowsmith who married Thomas Beazely was born circa 1810 in Spitalfields (1871 census). She died in Mile End registration district in 1879.
This may be her baptism on the IGI

TEMPERANCE ARROWSMITH 
Birth:  28 FEB 1810   
Christening:  18 MAY 1810   Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London,
Father:  JAMES ARROWSMITH 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

other siblings

JAMES ARROWSMITH
Christening: 22 JUL 1803 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London
WILLIAM ARROWSMITH
Christening: 08 SEP 1805 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London
ELIZABETH TEMPERANCE ARROWSMITH
Christening: 10 JUL 1808 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London

1800 All Hallows London Wall 
Jas Arrowsmith
Egth Hill 

Regards

Valda

[DerekB]

I have seen all of those Arrowsmith births but without knowing who William's parents were, I can't know if they were his siblings or not.
Derek

[DerekB]

The William Jeffryes who suffered the verbal abuse may have been a brother of James. There are a number of Jeffryes who were undertakes in the same area. Suspect all part of the same family but lack the proof.
Regards
Derek

[Valda]

It does rather make the case for going sideways and examining other sources such as Elizabeth of Shoreditch's PCC will in 1799. Unmarried peoples' wills can be very informative about family connections (plus following for this will the death duty register information). Elizabeth Arrowsmith is not the only PCC will available for the east end of London.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

Regards

Valda