Help please James Lively born Stranraer around 1851

[margit]

James Lively, born Stranraer around 1851 to Bernard Lively and Catherine Gallagher. Sister Jane ( Catherine ) born 14 January 1860 at Whitecrook, Old Luce Wigtown.

Have been unable to find on IGI.  Are there OPRs available for any other churches in that area??

Grateful for any help

[Shirley Sweetland]

Hi Margit looks like him on the 1881 census age 29,  Horse Driver, at an address in Ayr. Looks like he's widowed as well.

Let me know if you'd like me to send the record to you.

Regards
Shirley
Perth WA

[margit]

Thanks Shirley, I can get access to 1881 census and will check it out.

He married Catherine Mitchell (my great -  grandmother ) in 1882. Will look for previous marriage
Many Thanks.

[MonicaL]

It looks like James's parents only married in 1853. On IGI, actual extract from OPRs:

BARNARD LIVELY  Marriages: Spouse: CATHARINE GALLAGHER    
Marriage:  17 OCT 1853  Leswalt, Wigtown, Scotland

Also on IGI, two children showing for this couple, including the Catherine you already have:

1. MARGARET LIVELY  Birth: 16 FEB 1857 Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland
2. CATHRINE LIVELY  Birth: 14 JAN 1860 Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland

On the 1851 Census at  http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx there are only two Lively entries which I think might be duplicates. This looks like it might be Barnard age 23 (on Scotlands People, these entries are both down as Barny). These entries seem to be duplicated, although the addresses are slightly different, which is why they are showing as separate entries although the household members  are the same.

LIVELY Danny, age 85, Labourer farm, b. Ireland, household of Robert Campbell (on SP his age is down as 23)
Address: Creachmore(887) Kirkcolm

LIVELY Danny, age 23, Labourer farm, b. Ireland, household of Robert Campbell
Address: Craichmore(891) Leswalt

From the 1851 Census, there is only one Catherine Gall*  that would fit in age to Barnard:

GALLACHER Catherine, age 28, Servant, unmarried, daughter of Hannah, b. Ireland
Address: Cot House (900), Whithorn

Regards.

Monica

[margit]

Thank you Monica

I will follow up the 1851 Census information, I have never found Catherine Gallagher on it, but I had to look on films and it was hard to know where to look.

It seems that either James was born before the marriage or his date of birth is wrong.  Will keep looking

Margit

[Shirley Sweetland]

I'm going to the Mormon library on friday will have a quick look for you on the original microfiche records for Scotland.

Regards
Shirley

Thanks Shirley, I can get access to 1881 census and will check it out.

He married Catherine Mitchell (my great -  grandmother ) in 1882. Will look for previous marriage
Many Thanks.

[MonicaL]

Hi Margit

The full household entry for the Catherine Gallacher I found on the 1851 Census is as follows:

BELL Mary, age 10, grand-daughter of Hannah Gallacher, born Ireland
GALLACHER Catherine, unmarried, daughter of Hannah, Servant, age 28, born Ireland
GALLACHER Hannah, age 56, widow, head, born Ireland
GALLACHER James, age 23, son, umarried, Labourer Agri., born Ireland
GALLACHER John, age 25, son, umarried, Labourer Agri., born Ireland
GALLACHER William, age 9, grandson, born Ireland
Address: Cot House (900)
Parish: Whithorn
Household No: 7/3A


There were only 3 Cath* Gall* in the 1851 Census at the Dumgall site. One was aged 49 and the other age 25 and married to Francis G and with children.

Regards.

Monica
   

[margit]

Thanks Once again Monica

I've been away, which is why it took so long to reply.

I'll follow up both Bernard and Catherine on the 1851 census, then I might try IGI for Catherine's family.

Irish records are a bit difficult, but oone can but hope

Margaret