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A Christian name or 'family' name?
« on: Sunday 21 May 06 20:37 BST (UK) »
My grandfather was John Totterdell Smart bc 1873 Islington London

The name of Totterdell has been found with one of his nephews, again as a 2nd name.

It seems an odd Christian name to me and wondered if it was a family surname passed down. However--Gt.grandfather doesn't appear to have it and it's not , as far as i can see, been given to any other family member so  thought i'd ask here to see if anyone else has ever come across it either as a Christian or surname anywhere?  :) Poli.
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 May 06 20:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Poli

Freebmd (an incomplete list) has 8 individuals registered with the middle name Totterdell.  They don't seem to have anything else in common: different birthdates, places & surnames.

It could be that you will find a maiden name as you get further back.

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 May 06 22:04 BST (UK) »
Yes Arranroots you're right. i looked at BMD and also in Ancestry and Totterdell seems to be mostly used as a surname. The probability is as you say, that it will surface somewhere in grandad's past as a maiden name. Thanks for helping.  :)Poli
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 May 06 23:05 BST (UK) »
My grandfather had the middle name 'Rice'. It appeared in the family again a couple of generations back, and eventually turned out to be from his grandfather's grandmother's mother's side or something of the sort.

Of course the other possiblity is that 'John Totterdell' was a good friend of the family, or some cousin or other distant relative who'd come into money and they wanted to butter him up...
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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 May 06 23:07 BST (UK) »
There are Totterdales here in Gloucestershire  :)
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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 May 06 02:47 BST (UK) »
Hello Poli,

From FreeBMD

John SMART marriage, Dec qtr 1868, Pancras, Vol 1b, Page 47.  On the same page there is a Katherine Rhodia TOTTERDELL.

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 May 06 02:50 BST (UK) »
And again Poli,

From the IGI:
Catherine Rhoda TOTTERDELL, b 11 Apr 1844, bap 25 Jul 1847, Old Church St Pancras London, parents John TOTTERDELL and Catherine Sarah.

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PS: Also from the IGI
John TOTTERDELL and Catherine Sarah also had, all Old Church St Pancras:
Ann Lydia TOTTERDELL b 11 Dec 1842, bap 25 Jul 1847
Margaret Elizabeth TOTTERDELL b 7 Aug 1845, bap 25 Jul 1847
Sophia Harriet TOTTERDALE b 26 Feb, bap 28 May 1848
John Home Thomas TOTTERDELL b 28 Aug 1850, bap 29 May 1853
Henry William TOTTERDELL b 1 Apr, bap 29 May 1853

On FreeBMD there are births of a Sophia (as TOTTERDERE) and a Margaret Elizabeth.  Also the birth of a Henry William in 1853 and his death in 1854.

And the death of a Catherine Sarah TOTTERDELL age 61 in 1870.

PPS: The IGI has LDS submissions for the marriage (to a George TEAGLE), children and death of Ann Lydia.

And from FreeBMD.
The marriage of an Ann Lydia and with a George TEAGLE on the same page - Dec qtr 1872, Pancras, Vol 1b, page 94
The marriage of a Margaret Elizabeth - Sep qtr 1870, Pancras, Vol 1b, page 60; she married George YORK (the other male on the same page is the well-known Gilbert & Sullivan producer Richard D'oyley CARTE - usually spelled D'Oyly - but unfortunately, from Googling, I find that he married the other lady on the page)
The marriage of a Sophia Harriet - Dec qtr 1870, Pancras, Vol 1b, page 54; two females and only one male on the page - John BIRD.
The marriage and death of a John are there - no middle names listed but it's probably the right John as both events are in Pancras, and his age at death in 1891 is 40.

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 May 06 09:28 BST (UK) »
Blinking 'eck JAP--- i'm not going to get a lot of housework done today am i,i'll be busy going through this lot  :o :o :o

Many thanks indeed for your 'searches'. I realise they'll have to be verified/checked but you've certainly given me a goodly lot to work with 8)

How did you find Katherines name as wife to John on Free bmd? when i put his name in i only got a possible marriage date for him alone. Usually i've had a 'choice of partners' but not this time.

I appreciate your help.  :) Poli

       
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: A Christian name or 'family' name?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 May 06 09:42 BST (UK) »
P.S Only last evening i printed off my family tree and pieced all the A4's together making a chart to look at in its entirety. Looks like i'm going to do another print off for a bigger chart----- ;D ;D
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London