DAVIES/EVANS Marriage....at 14?????

[ambers]

Oh Gadget thank you for your interest.....I have now found David on the 1851 Census.

I am sure it's him because in the 1871 Census they had his brother John (22) staying with them.... who was eleven years younger.

My Dad's family from one generation to another all used the same names, it has been really taxing on my poor brain. Also my Grandmother had the same names in her family...I beginning to think half of Wales did.

I was glad to see the name Susannah for a change but then it appeared to be a popular name in Neath!

I found the fact of in the 1861 Census they were married and had two of her brothers lodging with them ....maybe it was a convenience thing for the parents.

I tried another BMD incase Ancestory had things missing but didn't find anything else.

Dash.... I have visitors to-morrow!!!  just when I want to stay up half the night to try and solve this...haven't been so engrossed in anything for years! 

And I can't resist peeking back at Roorwebb to see what is going on!

.....Jay

[Gadget]

When does the certificate arrive? - I'd love to find out if they did marry so young. Did Susannah's parent's die or something?
My main paternal line were coal miners but in North Wales. The youngest marriage that I can find was my grt grandfather  at just under 18. His wife was 4 years older and he fibbed on his marriage cert - said he was 22.

He later became a lay Methodist minister and was, apparently pretty tough on things like lying 

I've got Davies and Evans as well lurking there - why does Wales have so few surnames (OK, don't tell me, I know. This is rhetorical).

RC is very addictive

Gadget

[ambers]

Hi Gadget...I can see you are online.

I read somewhere on Rootswebb of  Registration districts  changes.

From 1837-1863  Ystradyfodwg Reg/district was Mythyr Tydfil

Then from 1864 it became Pontypridd

When I was trying to match the Marriage I was using Neath for both...looking at the census for them, the area of birth changes for Susannah sometimes quoting Skewen then Neath Abbey.

Also all her children were born at Penygraig...Ystradyfodwg which is where most of the rest of the Evans family appeared to live up to 1891, all five and spouses  moved to Cardiff. So if David lived in Ystradydfodwg between 1851 and  1861 when they appeared as married ......I should have searched Merthyr

I can't think anyone Marrying at 14 would not have had children until she was  26/27...in those days

I haven't sent for a certificate yet because I am still having trouble confirming my Grandfathers details.I have had to have lots of searches done in the Newspapers, and there were loads around in Cardiff in thoses days. The Informant was the Coroner so I did not get any family details from the Death Certificate., no Obits but there is a report in one newspaper ...I am waiting for it.

As you know with names like Evan david Evans , David Evans it difficult...but I think knowing I should be looking at Merthyr for birth details for some of them might help a little 

Jay

 

[sandra bills]

Hi Jay,
Noticed your message concerning age at marriage.
My g grdmother x 9 back in the 1740's dmarried at
12 years old. It is possible through her date f birth
as being approximate that she may have been 14.
In any case she did not start having children for
eight years later.   My ggrdfather x 9 was 10 years
older than her. I know my line is accurate and as in
your case this was totally out  of character with the
usual 25 years at marriage. I did have another at
18 or 19 years.
Sandra

[behindthefrogs]

Don't forget that the census was taken in early April and so the chances are that someone who was recorded as 21 in 1861 was more likely to have been born in 1839.  If she was nearly 22 at that time,  then she could have been a couple of months short of being 16 when they were married.

[ambers]

Thank you both for your replies.......I am still waiting for certificates at the moment  to confirm I am tracing the correct Evans family   otherwise I will not be sure Susannah and David are my rellies.

I have this Susannah and David Evans on Census for:

1861 RG 9/4092 Cadaxton Neath, with Brother in Laws.

1871 RG10/5386 Ystradyfodwg, with Susannah Catherine age 3 Evan, (my Grandad) 3 months, and John Ivor Evans (brother)

1881 Rg11 5305/140 Ystradyfodwg Susannah 13, Evan 10, Emily 8, Thomas 6, John I.... age 1.

I didn't realise that the Indexes are not complete, so possibly the marriage I found for Neath isn't them....as it seems strange to marry at that age and not start a family until twelve years later at 26/27 and then have four children just years apart.

I  searched 1837 for about five years until  I ran out of units.

Also, possibly the marriage I found for Neath is for the other Susannah Davies born in Neath a year earlier

Regards Jay

[ambers]

Can I pick your brains once more on this one??

I have just found a marriage in Neath (separately) for a Susannah and David...... 3rd quarter 1859    BUT     one page number is 595 the other is 593.

I have looked at both Ancestry and 1837,  the writing on both is bad, 1837 being the worst.
Is this wishful thinking on my part because 1859 fits the picture better or is it a possible mistake?

Sorry I don't know how to copy part of a page so that you could see it.

I still haven't been able to prove this family is mine so far, even with the certificates I have ordered...........but I am  so attached to them now that I do hope so.

Regards Jay

[ambers]

No this couple were not my Susannah and David married at 14 & 16 although they were the only couple that matched within the ten year period.

Waiting now for a search for 1859 as an Index figure wasn't very clear.

Regards Ambers

[ambers]

Hope you see this Oprey after all the help you gave me.

The page numbers of 11a595 and 593 are them...I received to separate green sheets with the page numbers on, and so assume that they were indexed incorrectly on the main index.

Although Susannah said she was twenty-one on the 1861 Census, in 1859 when they married, she and Evan must have said of age.

Her fathers name is given Philip Davies, Collier...so far I can't trace him. No addresses just Skewen, both Susannah and her witness signed with a cross..(Anne James) and David either Rees or Rous.

They married in Skewen Parish Church, if someone could help me with Parish Records because I haven't got a clue, would I get anymore information from these?

So  back to square one, Susannah has brothers in 1861 Census Thomas and William, but where were they all born and what ages were they really?

Ambers