BMD LOOKUP PLEASE - Ready To Give Up

[custard_pot]

I have got desperate and after 2 years ready to give up. 

Looking mainly for my Grandmother's birth so I can find out her Mother's name. Now looking for her Brothers and sisters birth for same reason. I have several possible DOB for Grandma and 2 places of birth. 

Sarah Jeffery (possible M middle initial)
B c1887, c1888, c1889, c1890, c1891
Place of birth from 1891 & 1901 census either Ilfracombe Devon or Nole Devon

Her Siblings are

Al(l)ice Jeffery B c1884/85 Exeter/Brixham Devon William Jeffery B c1886/88 Tavistock Devon Nellie Jeffery B c1890 Exeter Devon
Susan Jeffery B c1893 Bristol Somerset
Thomas Jeffery B c1896 Plymouth Devon
Mary Jeffery B c1900 Stonehouse Devon I

If I can find out who my Grandmother's mother was I can find and get their marriage certificate and find out if a theory is right that her Dad was married twice. 

This family is very difficult to get any information on. Will be glad of any help Christine

[AMBLY]

Hi Christine

to start off:--

For reference-
? This is her Dad being:
Per 1901 Census for Stoke, Exeter, Devon.
Thomas W JEFFERY age 34 a Navvy,  born Bridport Dorset
His Wife: Sarah JEFFERY age 34 born Exeter
His children:
Alice 17, b Exeter, Devon
William 15, b Tavistock, Devon
Sarah 14, b Ilfracombe, Devon
Nellie 11, b Exeter, Devon
Susan 8, b Bristol, Somerset
Thomas 5, b Plymouth, Devon
Mary 1, b Stonehouse, Devon
His father: William age 79, Widower, born Bridgeport Gloster

Then I can only assume you believe this family from 1891 is the same, which is where the other wife theory come in:

South Brent Devon
Thomas JEFFERY age 28, a plate tunnel Maker b Dorset
His Wife: Susan age 26 b Brixham Devon
His Children:
Allice 6, Scholar, b Exeter
William 3, b Tavistock Devon
Sarah N* age 1 b (Nole? Hole>Holne?) Devon
His Father: William (age?70) Plate Tunnel Maker b (Nole? Hole>Holne?) Devon

Notes 1891:
1) Middle initial of  Sarah is N, not M - if you compare N & M written elsewhere on page.
2) Birthplace of THomas is indexed as Somerset, but it does look like D-rset.
3) Birthplace of dau Sarah and father William - Is it Nole? Or is it Holne? It's been indexed as Bole - if you look on the page, some of the enumeraters H looks like the first letter of their Birthplace, and he does run letters together - look how he writes "Devon" . Nole - could be Hele (see post below).

Markers:
Same - names of children Alice, William, Sarah in that order - birth places of Alice & William the same as 1901 family. Sarah's birthplace probably Hele (in Ilfracombe area)?
Same - names of his father William and probably age.

Different: Thomas' his age & occupation,  and different wife name;  father William birthplace. Dau Sarah's age. No middle initial of Thomas. Nellie is 11 in 1901. Perhaps she should be on 1891 too age 1 ish (but Sarah is on 1891 as age 1 while she's 14 in 1901!)

is this what you have found so far?

Cheers
AMBLY

[custard_pot]

Firstly in 1901 I have

Thomas W Jeffery Head B 1867 Bridport Glocestershire (Dorset)

The rest is as you have put other than the Births are done in years not ages.

On the 1891 census I have got Thomas born at Dorset.

The rest is what I have got and you can see the problem I have.

Christine

[AMBLY]

Hi Christine
It is confusing isn't it, I agree 

Ah yes, now I DO see it - Thomas' birthplace 1891 as you say, Dorset.

And in the 1901, Thomas initially written as born Bridport Gloucester, then the Gloucester crossed out and "Dorset written in a different larger, hand in the column beside it. (I will modify my post above).

William the father in 1901 left as born Bridgeport, Gloster.

I think.................they, Thomas and his father,  were both born "Bridport Cluster". (Google this term)

Then perhaps in the 1891 Census, for father William  the enumerator put the ditto marks after Sarah born (Nole? Hole>Holne?) in error.

As to Sarah N's birthplace - after Googling, referring to Genuki, and re-looking at that Census 1901  - I think it says  her birthplace is "Hele" - I didn't think there was really enough letters in the word to be "Holne" but it was a better match than "Nole"  - I am certain the first letter is an H and it's a 4 letter word.

Hele in Devon, is 1 mile away from Ilfracombe.
http://www.interpretation-signage.com/Hele%20Bay.html
This web site for eg: Refers to "Hele Bay, Ilfracombe, Devon".

I think this all may make the 2 Census make much better sense as a match......what do you think?

Cheers
AMBLY

[custard_pot]

Thanks for that Ambly, it does make a bit more sense but it is so very confusing 

You can see what problems I have had with this family. I have only got an uncle left out of the children my Grandmother had and he either cannot remember or never new any details of his Mother's life. My Dad fell out with his mother when I was a small child so we had nothing to do with her and his Father died long before I was born.

Hopefully I am starting to sort things out and that information has helped.

Cheers Christine 

[arishmell]

Hele in Devon, is 1 mile away from Ilfracombe.
http://www.interpretation-signage.com/Hele%20Bay.html
This web site for eg: Refers to "Hele Bay, Ilfracombe, Devon".

Cheers
AMBLY

Can I point out that there is at least one other Hele in Devon? 

From Wikipedia:
"Hele is a village in Devon, England, lying about one mile SSW of Bradninch and 10 miles NNE of Exeter. The village is home to a paper mill once belonging to the company Wiggins Teape, now part of the multinational company Arjo Wiggins.

The nearby railway station, now closed, used to serve Hele and Bradninch."

Arishmell

[cornhills]

Hi
Just to confuse you further, there is actually a place called "Hole" in mid / North Devon near the village of Black Torrington. Just a couple of farms as I remember, but another (feint) possibility!
Cheers - Michael.

[custard_pot]

Hi Michael

Thank you for that yes a bit more confusion. But it gets worse than that!!!! Someone on another board has found out that my Grandmother may not have been named Sarah Jeffery in the beginning but Sarah Guard and when her mother either married or partnered up with Thomas Jeffery they took his name. 

So more and more confussion. 

Christine

[lizdb]

I have been looking through the birth indexes, but as you say there are lots of possibles for most of them. My geographical knowledge of registration districts in that area is rather limited, which doesnt help!

However, re the youngest daughter, MARY, aged 1 in 1901. There seems to be only one possible birth rgistration that could be her:
JAS quarter 1899 Mary Ann Jeffery, Plymouth area 5b 247.

She would therefore have her first birthday in Jul - Sep 1900, and when 1901 census was taken in spring 1901 would still be aged 1.

There are no other possibles i can see for her in 1899-1900, so I am pretty sure this is her birth

Might be worth pursuing this one and getting cert to clarify parents to start with.