Help with interpreting World War One Medal Record Card

[Chris Chapman]

I am looking for someone to help me interpret the following World War One Medal Record Card from the National Achieves.

From what I understand the details are as follows:-

Name: Hobbs, James Henry
Corps: 2nd Battalion of South African Infantry, 6th Dragoon Guards
Rank: Private
Regiment No: 4264 387215 (What do the two sets of number refer to?)

What I don’t understand is the meaning of the remarks
Medals forfeited
Star + Medals approved (unreadable)
Claims to be forwarded to (unreadable)
Should application be received

Does anyone know what these comments mean or why medals would be forfeited?

[harribobs]

he had two service numbers because he was in 2 regiments

2nd south african infantry, number 4264 (or is it 7264?)
6th Dragoon guards, number 387215

it would seem he was entitled to the Star ( 14 or 14/15 star) and the british war and victory medals but something has occurred that means he forfeited the medals, i would suggest he was court marshalled

WW1 medals were all sent out not claimed as it was in ww2, so it seems to be a comment put on his card in case he later claimed them

there are 2 references to the original full medal rolls (NW/2/1829 and nw/4/3019) you really need to consult both rolls to get the full story

i will have a look to see if i can find his name in the court marshall records

chris

[OldBraggs]

Note at the top of the card it states 'see saunders hobbs'

There is another medal card under the name of Saunders Hobbs that might hold a clue. Also, as he served with the SA Infantry first I believe that the reference might be to the fact that his star, at least, should be issued by the South Africans and not the British Government.

Steve

[suey]

I read the regt number as 7267  and 387215 - sevens not fours, it could be in a different hand but the 4 at the bottom right of card is very different.

Suey

[harribobs]

Note at the top of the card it states 'see saunders hobbs'

There is another medal card under the name of Saunders Hobbs that might hold a clue. Also, as he served with the SA Infantry first I believe that the reference might be to the fact that his star, at least, should be issued by the South Africans and not the British Government.

Steve

steve

what do you think about the 'medals forfeited' ?

i can't find anything in the military courts cd

chris

[liverpool annie]

I read it - "that claims to be forwarded to South Africa should application be received" !

http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol043df.html

Wonder if he deserted  to the South Africans .... but why ... when they seemed to have a worse time than the British !!

Annie 

[liverpool annie]

Wonder what this one says ??

Medal card of Hobbs, Saunders
South African Infantry
7267
Dragoon Guards
387215
Private
Date
1914-1920

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0iu/

Annie 

[Chris Chapman]

Thank you for your input so far.  I have some more info about Hobbs, James Henry that might shed some light on the medal cards.

He was born in approx 1889 probably in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. (location of his father on his wedding certificate)

He married my G Grandmother, Eveline Agnes Pile in 03 July 1917 only to be divorced from her on 20 December 1919 on the grounds of cruelty and adultery.

He was demobilised in February 1919 and went on to re-enlist with the 18th Hussars.

Here is a press clipping of the divorce announcement and a picture of the ‘happy’ couple on their wedding day.

Is it possible that at some point he lied about his name and was this Hobbs, Saunders.  I only say this as both men have the same regiment numbers?

[Chris Chapman]

Here are the details for Hobbs Saunders.

Do you know if the records whose references are listed on the cards exist in any form?