Am on on the right track - ROBERTS

[Ann W]

Hi Gadget.

i did find Rhys Roberts m Mary JONES  1873  11 b 972   i am sure that is the right ones.

cant find the other children in 1851???

you havent got my roberts in your tree have you?

best wishes

ann

[Gadget]

Sorry - mine were Merioneth and Denbighshire - I was one once 

I've had a look on the North Wales BMD but that RD is not up yet  I'll keep looking for them though.

Have you checked for a Catherine and Edward on later censuses yet?

I'm not too bad at all on the pronounciations or spellings though 


Gadget

[Ann W]

Tanja did you look at the image of the 1841  one you sent me,, i couldnt find Catherine with wm roberts and my goodness there are jones and roberts all mixed in together,,lol lol


i was hoping to some how find a match with the jones that i could then match my mary to a family.. and give her parents..

Well its been a long day doing health and Safety so i better head to bed,,, i will go thru it all again, but for me often i got back to the same family..             .  think i have looked at every roberts that ever lived in Caernavon... 

Thanks everyone for helping me... i was starting to get lost...

So do you think i am keeping the convict??/ 

lol

cu   x x x  lots kisses  thank you     

[Gadget]

I've had a really good look on the 1851 for Rees (various spellings). I note that on the 1861 he is a farmer of 1500 (acres) living Beddgelert and bo. Beddgelert.
It might be worth going through the three Beddgelert Eds (skim search) for the farm on the 1851. I can't quite make out the name of it - ? cwmdylis or cwmdulais (more likely)

The nearest I've got so far is: HO107/2512/391/3


Gadget

[Tati]

My god, are we looking for a Catherine and William Roberts?   

What I sent you is, in Beddgelert:

Rice Roberts, 40, Farmer
Catherine, 35
Jane, 15
Daniel, 13
Ellen, 12
Griffith, 10
Rice, 8
Elizabeth, 6
Catherine, 1

Have I completely lost the plot?   

[Gadget]

I was just thinking the same myself Tati, having re-read the thread. There is no definite Rhys/Rees/Rice Roberts identified. I think that I would sort out the marriage first and find out possible parentage before going back beyond 1873.

Added - also check out why he was imprisoned - there are court records I think in Caernarfon and definitely in Ruthin.

Gadget

[Ann W]

Am i trying to do to much at once     You know me Tanja....... dont stopped till i have to...

yes Gadget i was wondering how i find prison records...

going on for 11.30-  i had really better get my beauty sleep,,, or i wont be much good at work tomorrow,,,,

thanks everyone , you have been wonderful and i will re look at it again... 

I am confused  - whose william ??

good night  going going gone  ............    

[Gadget]

I have carefully re-read this thread and am not sure what extra info Tati has given you but I see all sorts of doubtful jumps before 1881 -

What you know, from info above:

Ann Ellen Roberts b. 1873-74 m 1895 - father Rees Roberts, stonemason

probable listing in 1891 - Dwygyfylchi  RG12/4671/27/48
Rees b. 1854, stonemason, b. Llanaelhaearn
Mary b. 1845, b. Penmaenmawr

Also 1881, the same family in 1881 without Rees. Rees is in prison at Llanbeblig - place of birth Penmaenmawr.

So, if you are going to use the census info for 1871 and before, you're looking for a Rees (various spellings)  Roberts, b. either Penmaenmawr or Llanaelhaearn and not Beddgelert.

I'd get the marriage cert now though - can only see one other possible in 1876.

I recall a Caernarvonshire newspaper listing site somewhere - I'll check it out*. It might have something about Rees' imprisonment.

Gadget


Here's the site that might have info:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/

[Gadget]

Also, try this for newspapers:

http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/gwy_doc.asp?cat=3265&doc=9238&Language=1


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