1841/1851/1861 Brighton Census - VERNON

[axiom242]

Paula,

Thanks for the lookup!! This looks like it could be what I was looking for. Im not exactly sure because the first names of the rest of the family is only the first initial.

There is a William Vernon who was born around 1840 which matches the W. Vernon on the lookup. The E. Vernon aged 53 could be Elizabeth.

What would help would be to find them on the 1841 or 1861 census.  Unfortunately, all of the children would be grown and gone on the 1861 census. But maybe the birthplaces and ages could help make a match for Stephen and Elizabeth Vernon.

On the occupation for Stephen you listed Scavenger? Was that entry hard to read? Could there be a profession that is spelled similar to Scavenger? Edward Reed Vernon was a mariner, and on the marriage certificate it said Stephen was a general labourer. Any ideas anyone?

-Daryl Vernon

[outlaw]

Hi Daryl
The census wasn't hard to read it was transcribed,but that doesn't mean the person who transcribed it from the original might have had problems reading it .I don't know what the occupation scavenger could mean.
good luck
Paula

[axiom242]

Paula,

     One more question, was it "Vearnon" or "Vernon" for the surname on the family you found?

[outlaw]

Hi Daryl
It was vearnon.
hope this helps.
paula

[axiom242]

Paula,

I found this Brighton census image for 1871. I beleive this is the same family from the 1851 census you listed.

Elizabeth Vernon - Head -   Widowed - Age 73 - Charwoman - Born Berwick
Richard Vernon - Son -  Married - Age 37 - Brick Labourer - Born Brighton

In my opinion this is a match to the info you have.

I need an 1841 and 1861 census record to confirm.

[axiom242]

With more research I was able to determine that this is the family I was looking for.

Head: Stephen Vernon b. 1799 East Dean, E. Sussex
wife: Elizabeth Vernon b. 1798 Berwick
Daughter: A? b. 1828
Son: Edward R. Vernon b 7/29/1830 in Brighton
Son: Richard Vernon b. 1834
Son: William H. Vernon b. 1840

The info I gained from this forum, helped me find the missing link. I am as far back as the early 1600's now. Thanks to all!!!

However, there is missing data on this family still that I would like to find. An 1841 and 1861 census would be very helpful.

On the 1871 census, Elizabeth, and Son Richard are living on Manchester Row in Brighton. Elizabeth is Widowed. Richard is a Brick Labourer

Thanks again for all the help!!!

Daryl Everett Vernon
Corpus Christi, TX USA

[suepi]

Hi Daryl,
wonder if these are of any use to you?

Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index:
Place: Steyning, West Sussex,  Date: 11 Nov 1827:
Subject: Stephen VERNON
Spouse: Elizabeth REEDS, Alfriston

VERNON, Ann   Chr   1828   Engl   Suss   Steyni
Fa:   Stephen VERNON
Mo:   Elizabeth
VERNON, Richard   Chr   1834   Engl   Suss   Bright
Fa:   Stephen VERNON
Mo:   Elizabeth
VARNON, William   Chr   1840   Engl   Suss   Bright
Fa:   Stephen VARNON
Mo:   Elizabeth

I have looked on the 1861 census for Manchester Row but they are not there in 1861, so will look elsewhere, but as there are no name indexes it may take a while
Sue

[axiom242]

Sue,

The family you listed is a match to what I'm looking for!!!  It is strange that Edward Reeds Vernon is not listed with this info. (my ggg-grandfather) I have a christening record from Alfriston that says Stephen Vernon and Elizabeth
are his parents, yet I cannot find any other records to tie him in with the family. Edward Reeds Vernon was born 7/29/1830 in Brighton, Baptized in Alfriston. According to a biography I found, he was sent to Sea as a boy. Are there records for Mariners of Sussex??

Also, your record states that Elizabeth Reeds was from Alfriston, The 2 census records I have for this same family says that she was born in Berwick. Is Berwick near or a part of Alfriston?

How do you get a copy of the record the Marriage index is referring to?.


Thank you so much for all the help!!

Daryl Vernon

[suepi]

Hi Daryl,
Have found this so far on the 1861 census, ( think you might be in for a surprise)

1861
RG9/591 Folio 85 pg 20
8 Marine Sq Brighton
Fanny Vernon Serv Widow age 73  Cook Sussex Berwick

RG9/592 Folio 56b pg 32
38 Essex Place Brighton
Stephen Vernon Head Mar 62 General labourer Sussex Eastdean
Elizabeth Vernon Wife Mar 63 Charwoman Sussex Berwick
Louisa White GrandDau 8 Scholar Middlesex Hornsey
Jane White GrandDau 5 Scholar Middlesex Hornsey
(Think Hornsey is now a part of Greater London)

The christening records are from the BVRI which is not complete, a lot of the smaller parishes have not had the records transcribed.
There must be a family connection with Alfriston as Edwards Reeds Vernon was taken back there to be christened!
Berwick is just a few miles away from Alfriston.  Alfriston is between Eastdean & Berwick.

The record of the marriage of Stephen & Elizabeth is on a CD compiled by the Sussex Family History Group, are you a member? If not, it might be worth considering. Its worth having a look at.
http://www.sfhg.org.uk/
Am still going through the census, so if I find any more Vernons I’ll let you know
Hope this helps
Sue