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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 July 06 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hiya Steve,

This is getting exciting.

I've just spotted a guy writing a book about Henry Haslett
Maybe we will be able to make some progress. Henry was born at Clooney in Co. Derry

Chris

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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 July 06 18:51 BST (UK) »
Steve / Chris,

A "Coast Broker" would have been an agent for the "Coastal Trade".
[As opposed to the "International Trade".]

This was the commerce that was conducted in smallish ships around the coasts of Britain and Ireland, though sometimes further afield.
[e.g. Channel Islands, Azores, Dantzig.
 Some brave souls even ventured over the Atlantic to America,
 but only in the summer time when the weather was good!]

The HASLETTs may have chosen to concentrate on it because of the unstable nature of the times.  The coastal trade was typically executed in convoys.  Many ships left Belfast in such groups, under the protection of the Sandwich lugger - a heavily armed escort which also carried the post.
They headed for  "The Downs", an assembly area off Deal in Kent, where ships (sometimes as many as 800 at a time) had to wait (sometimes for weeks) for favourable winds before being able to turn in to the North Sea or the Thames river.


The role of agent must have been very political, balancing demands from all directions (producers, sellers, buyers, owners, captains, ships, weather, privateers, convoys, etc.).

It was also quite precarious financially.
Their typical "cut" seems to have been 5% of the value of the cargo.
The transactions were frequently done on trust.

This was fine until it went awry.
The WHITTLEs in Virginia got involved in a protracted law suit over an (allegedly) late/not_top_quality shipment of tobacco to merchant James BAILLIE of Belfast aboard the Brig "Exchange" in late 1810.
[This had been able to sail to Belfast direct because the Americans had temporarily lifted their trade embargo.]

BAILLIE refused to accept it, and his backers,  (JOHNSTON & McQUOID, "Irish Merchants" of 6 SCOTT's yard, Bush Lane, off Cannon Street, London) refused to honour their invoices (as per the usual arrangement).
The value of the shipment was $65,000 (!)  so a protracted action ensued in the Court of the Kings Bench.

[Cracking stuff!
 All recorded on large velum documents in The National Archives at Kew.
 They detail how the trade was organised and effected.]

Perhaps HH also had some interface with J & McQ ?]



The agents kept very good records, in case of difficulties.
Some of these were marshalled in what were known as "Letter Books".
[There might be one for HH held at PRONI ...?]


The WHITTLE family were based at Glenavy, though several brothers traded in Belfast.  There was also a HASLETT presence in Glenavy, so this might indicate a possible 18thC origin for the family.
[William HASLETT b. 1788 was a weaver, of swarthy complexion, who became a soldier in the 5th Dragoon guards, discharched in 1832.
Ref: TNA WO 97/64/31 ]

WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 13 July 06 19:37 BST (UK) »
All this is like having a history lesson, I am hook. ;D

I would assume  "theWhuttle"  that your Fortescue Whittle went bankrupt due to non-payments then.

I am also looking for connections to the shipping trade with Whittle.Sherrard, Robinson,Erskine,Maybery,Galt, Boyd...some are not direct links to my tree but have married in..so to speak.....

all the surnames the spelling can change

Maybery...had eventual links to Nestle and the cotton trade
Sherrard and Robinson...Publicans and Masons
Whittle ,Erskine,Galt,Boyd  ..are unknowns at present.

Think I need to read that book Chris...might give me some insight.

I am really hoping that I might find my black roots,hidden in these shipping links some how.

But a common denominator seems to be H Hasslet and maybe Whittle now

Steve
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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 July 06 20:17 BST (UK) »
Hiya Steve,

I've disovered that Michael Higgins is a descendent of Haslett .
I do not know if the book has been written as I have not yet received a reply to my message

Chris


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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 13 July 06 21:25 BST (UK) »
Steve,

Henry HASLETT and his co-proprietors of the Northern Star was sued by the Attorney General on a trumped-up charge of "Seditions Libel" in a show-case trial in 1794.

The owners were all aquitted, though the printer (McCABE) was convicted.
[One of the jurors was Stafford GORMAN, a close friend of the Glenavy WHITTLE family.]

The offices of the newspaper were eventually raided by soldiers and the presses destroyed.



On your other topics, at the risk of going slightly off the HH thread, here are some pointers:

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The full reasons for Fortescue WHITTLE's demise are not known.  His affairs were decided by the Commissioners of the "Commission of Bankrupt" at the Royal Exchange in Dublin on 14-FEB-1801, with dividends being distributed to his creditors.

[His brothers James and John would have handled the operational aspects from their woolen warehouse in Belfast.]

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Fortescue's elder brother Francis WHITTLE ran a quinine plantation on Jamaica.

CAMPBELL and WHITTLE also operated three small ships out of Kingston.

William CHAINE at Muckamore used their contacts to develop his linen exporting business.  He was married to Jane WHITTLE, the only surviving mature daughter of the Glenavy family.

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A William WHITTLE, whose father was "a negro", was baptised at St. Aidan's in Glenavy  in 1794.

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A William WHITTLE is noted in Nugent's "Black Book of the Rebellion" - a list of suspected United Irishmen.
There are no futher details of who he was unfortunately.

Could be the WW above.

Else it might be Fortescue's eldest brother.
He had married a CAMPBELL "to displease his father" (?!) and was disinherited, receiving only a £10 annuity in his will.

He returned from New York (a major centre of republican sentiment then) in 1803 to convert his annuity in to an immediate £100 cash, this just a few months before Robert EMMET's rising in Dublin.
 
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Capt. John WHITTLE, of Liverpool, was an 18thC slave ship mariner operating the lucrative "Liverpool, Africa, Windies/American_Colonies" triangle.

His meticulous records, held in the Special Studies (?) archive in the main Library at Liverpool, now form the paradigmatic reference source for this vile trade.

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Capt. John SHERRARD is listed in the Belfast Newsletter of 2-5 Dec. 1783 in an advert on P.3

He is aboard the Dutch-built galliot "Henry".
It is to be sold by publick auction.

[This is the only entry for him during 1737-1800, so he was probably not based in Belfast.]

The advert also lists Capt. Robert MOORE.

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WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 13 July 06 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hiya John,

Have you any idea where there might be a copy of this book? "Black Book of the Rebellion"

Chris

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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 13 July 06 22:34 BST (UK) »
Chris,

It is in the PRONI.

It is neither black nor a book, just some pages from a scribble diary.

It just contains names, presumably as memory joggers for the Nugent.

Not much use genealogically.
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 13 July 06 23:23 BST (UK) »
What a night ,what a trail to follow...........

William Whittle with "Black" father looks so intresting .............and I can see a trip to Liverpool Library on the cards.

Chris..........let me know what you find at Proni please in that "little black book"(pages)..........keep your eyes out for a Willy Whittle.......................

Thanks John I am so excited now.....hope you do not mind I have added Whittle to my post....please do start your own as well.

Wee Steve ;D  :o  ;D
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Re: Henry Haslet shipping agent in Belfast
« Reply #17 on: Friday 14 July 06 00:36 BST (UK) »

A William WHITTLE is noted in Nugent's "Black Book of the Rebellion" - a list of suspected United Irishmen.

John


Any idea which Nugent, John ???