Looking for a HAYWARD connection between the Royal Houses

[jaywit]

I tried all J's and F's in case Faith was her first name. I have been trying to find James on the 1891 and 1901 England  census but nothing ties up. What you are going to have to do is see what documentary evidence you can find in the US first, did he become an American citizen? if so are those records available? Have you got his death record? When you have something that hopefully gives his date of birth in England then we have something to work on. Although I am a member of Ancestry (that's where I get all the information from) I cannot access the US records on there. If you know someone with US Ancestry membership then you may find more information on that. Have to go know, it's dinner time here.

[jorose]

On the ship manifest, looking closer, all the children are listed as b. New York.  I'd suggest ordering the certificate of James A. Hayward as seen at http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html as well as trying to get the birth certificate of Justine from NY (this might be more difficult because of privacy laws) which should give details.

The ship list for James A. Hayward says he first came into the US in 1906.

[behindthefrogs]

To go back over your definitions of our legal people a barrister is not senior to a lawyer, he just has a different specialility

A lawyer or solicitor prepares the case to go to court as well as carrying out all sorts of other legal jobs according to his knowledge, ability and experience.

A barrister presents the case in court either for the prosecution or defence.  You are right that their initial experience in some cases may be very similar.

[jorose]

ssdi.rootsweb.com - also can find Helen Ziffer here, she died 2005, was living in Phoenix, Arizona - her birthdate of 22 Dec 1915 seems to make the family I located originally more likely to be yours.

[AllieCarr-Russo]

most likely it is thank you

[AllieCarr-Russo]

Ok that last thing with helen ziffer that is justine's sister so from there i wonder if i can find helens birth cert.
  cool we are getting some where

[AllieCarr-Russo]

helen d. hayward ziffer
b. 12/22/1915
d. 7/10/2005lived in phoenix, maricopa,az
her husband was henry ziffer and he died in 1982 same place

she  had a twin sister named mary both born in 1915/1916

they were nuns at one point in their life.

[AMBLY]

Hi STARNAMMINHEE

This is the 1920 & 1930 US Census family Jorose found in Indexes:

1920: New York State,  New York County & City
Manhattan Assembly District 5
West 53rd Street - Nr 534
Enumerated a HAYWOOD:
Head: James HAYWOOD age 39, b England, English parents.
Wife: Cathine (sic) HAYWOOD age 38, b Kansas, Newyork father, Kentucky mother.
Spn: James R age 6 b New York
Dau: Helen age 4 b New York
Dau: Mary B age 4 b New York
Son: Robert age 2 yrs & 6mth, b New York
Son: Frederick age 2mths b New York
This Census stated:
James emigrated to the US in 1904 and is an Alien (not naturalised).
His occupation is Waiter - Restaurant.
His home is Rented (again appears to be an apartment type abode)
In the column's next to Catherine's entry it says "1X" for year emigrated to US, and "Al" in Naturalisation column - I don't know what this means ......her entry is at the top of a new page, while James is at the bottom of the previous.

1930: New York State,  New York County & City
Manhattan (Districts 251-500)
West 48th Street - Nr 504.
Head: James HAYWARD age 49, b England, English parents.
Wife: Catherine HAYWARD age 50, b Kansas, Father: New York, mother: Kentucky.
Son: James age 16 (18?)  b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
Dau: helen age 14, b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
Mary age 14, b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
Robert age 13, b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
Frederick age 11, b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
Jestina age 8, b New York, English father, Kansas Mother
This Census stated:
James emigrated to the US in 1895 and is Naturalised.
His occupation is Waiter - Restaurant.
He rents his home for $30 a month (this home appears to be one of 10 households in a apartment? building at 504 West 48th).
He is not a veteran of US Military or naval forces.
They were married when each was 30 years old (so approx 1910/1911 according to ages in 1930).
Son James is I think 16, but looks like enumerator has first written 18, then overwritten the 8 with a heavier-handed 6.

You have said Justine's sister, Helen D ZIFFER of Arizona had a twin named Mary B (whom I believe is probably Mary Beatrice) - so I can only imagine this Census family has to be yours. I have to wonder why Helen doesn't appear though on any of the ship list or Census with a middle initial (D)  as some of the other children do with their middle initials at least once!

As you can see, it says the mother Katherine is Kansas Born of a New York father & a Kentucky mother. All the children are stated as US born in New York. And James apparently came to the US initially  in 1895 or 1904! And perhaps became naturalised between 1920 and 1930. This means he could be on the 1900 and or 1910 Census also.. I'm still looking  )

You have the 1915 birth & 2005 death details of Helen D ZIFFER from the Social Security Index.

Perhaps you can find Helen's obit - which appeared in The Arizona Republic paper:
http://mesarfhc.org/
ZIFFER, HELEN D. age 89
Arizona Republic Section: B ,Page 9,
Edition Date: 19-Jul-2005

Some Obit lookup offers are here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volaz.html

There are mentions of Helen on this site:
http://studentmedia.vpsa.asu.edu/webarchives/bulldog/950531/bd053195.html

Another site with a broken link, says in it's "Google" index:
Helen has been a hospice volunteer since 1988 and is considered an expert in caring for AIDSpatients

Regarding: Census Catherine born Kansas of USA born parents - perhaps the German heritage came in via immigrant grandparents. In the 1930 & 1920, I did notice on the Census pages they were on, that there were a high number of German, Polish, Czhec born people - as if they were living in an area of
Manhattan known to be an "European" quarter? So how certain are you of "Katherine Quackenbush was German"  - what was the source for this ?

On this site: http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeathSearch.asp
You will find the Death reference for James HAYWARD in Manhattan 1930 as mentioned by Jorose.
Hayward  James A  age 49 y 
Date: Apr  30  1930  (date of cert issue??)
Cert Nr: 11366  Manhattan    

On  the same site, is a Manhattan marriage reference  - which could match the Census James who stated in 1930 he had been married first at age 30 (ie approx 1910/1911):
Hayward  James 
Date of marriage: Mar  26  1910  Manhattan 
Cert Nr: 6849 
Frustratingly, the site (a wonderful find!) has not yet completed the index for the Manhattan Brides, so I can't cross reference to see who he may have married. However, the date 1910 would fit the Census couple as a marriage preceding the birth of son James R HAWYARD.

I hope this helps some!
Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi All

This is the 1891 Census England, for James A HAYWARD, son of Robert:

London, St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical: St Mary Magdalene)
RD: St Saviour Southwark, Sub-RD:Kent Road
Ref: RG12/345, Folio 45, page 42
187 Old Head? Rd
Head: Robert HAYWARD 38, Shirt & Collar Dresser, b N? W? Grinstead, Sussex
Wife: Eleanor C HAYWARD 26, b Walworth, London
Son: Fred C HAYWARD 14, b Andover, Hants
Son: Percy W HAYWARD 12, Scholar, b Holloway, London
Son: James A HAYWARD  10, Scholar, b Lambeth, London
Son: Robert C HAYWARD 8, Scholar, b Lambeth, London
Dau: Eleanor C HAYWARD 5, b Southwark

This means that by 1901. sons Fred, James and Robert have all left the nest.

It does look as if Robert snr remarried to Eleanor C btw 1881 and 1891.
There is a marriagein London/Middlesex district of  Islington June Qtr 1909 of a Robert HAYWARD to either Eleanor Catherine BURTT or Elizabeth WYNDERGEN. The other groom is : Josephus C VAN VUUREN  who I'm picking is the one who married Elizabeth because of the possible "ethnic" background connection. Which would mean Robert & Eleanor were living together from as early as 1891 before they actually married? Could be wrong on that one....but it's a thought!

Ellen HAYWARD age 27 death in St Olave District, Dec Qtr 1883.
Ellen HAYWARD age 28 death in St. Saviour District Mar Qtr 1885
Both of which are right age to be the first wife, and right area.
St Olave Southwark spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Surrey.
St Saviour Southwark spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Surrey.

As to the 1901, searching for James A HAYWARD.
This may be him:
London St Luke
220 City Road
Servant: James HAYWARD age 23, b Bermondsey London, Occupation: Barman.

Information on Bermondsey:
http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/southwark/main/bermondsey1.htm
"Bermondsey is a riverside settlement to the east of Southwark"

This 1901 James is one of a number of Barman Employees of a Licensed Victualler. Servants were notriousley incorrectly enumerated on age, place of birth etc due to their Employer giving the information. But in this case I rather suspect he was enumerated as born where he was living prior to the employment.   If it is your man, and he is the same as the Manhattan waiter - then he didn't immigrate 1895......more likely then, the 2nd choice 1904.

I'm going to look for the other 2 boys in 1901:  Fred and Robert. It wouldn't be unusual for a set of siblings to immigrate as a group, or to the same place.

Cheers
AMBLY

PS I can't locate a suitable James HAYWARD in US 1900. But then I can't in 1910 either......