McCarthys Originally from Swansea

[cariadmawriol]

I'm looking for my great grandfather - Michael (Mike) McCarthy.  I can only trace him back to the 1881 census.  Before this its a mystery!!

On the 1881 census he's approx. 28 yrs old married to ANN and has three children CATHERINE, JOHN and DAVID.  They lived in Rheola Cottage, Neath.

I think he was born in the Swansea area approx. 1853.

If anyone can help I'd be more than grateful.  Thanks

[Arranroots]

Hi Cariadmawriol

Welcome to Rootschat! 

There are a number of possibles on earlier censuses, although no complete match, as you say.

Have you got any further info to help?

A birth cert for one of the children would give Ann's maiden name. A marriage cert would give both their father's names and occupations.

There were a surprising number of folk with Irish names in south Wales at the time, so any additional clues would be welcome.

kind regards, Arranroots 

[ems girl]

Found them on 1891 and 1901 in Glamorgan.
1891 living at Pentreclwydd, Neath Higher;
Mike Mccarthy age 37 born Swansea occ; coal miner
Ann age 38 born Aberdare wife
Catherine age 17
John age 14 born Resolven
David age 11 born Resolven
Wm Hy age 9
Sarah Ann age 5
Jas age 2
Sarah Jane Mccarthy age 22 relative born Resolven occ; kitchen maid

1901 living at Waterfall Terrace, Resolven;
Michael age 48
Ann age 49
John age 23
William age 19
Sarah A age 15
James age 12
Michael age 10.

Cant find a marriage for Michael and Ann before Catherines' birth, but there is one for Michael Mccarthy to Ann Arrowsmith dec qtr 1880 reg in Cardiff.
Or, only other one in jan qtr 1874 to Ann Murphy in Crickhowell.
Do you have her maiden name? Or any of the childrens' birth certs?
Cant find Michael before 1881. There is a birth ref for a Michael Mccarty in Neath for jan qtr 1853

[cariadmawriol]

Hi thanks for the replies.

Michael's wife's surname was Harrison (now my middle name!!) and I'm almost positive her fathers name was Hermit Harrison and they came from Resolven then spelt Resolfen.  Unfortunately thats about all the information I have.

Thanks again 

[osprey]

this looks like it could be the marriage
Michael McArty
Anne Harrison 
1Q 1872 volume 11a pg 615

I can find an Ann Harrison on 1871 and 1861 census at Pentreclwyda, but the father's name is John. Ann's place of birth is given as Aberdare as in 1891.
1871 RG10/5433 folio 64 pg 10

could Hermit be a nickname?

[rhys]

Hello
 Possibility in 1861
RG9 4106 F 89 P 35

Have not found the family in 1871 .

Rhys

[osprey]

another possibility in 1861 RG9/4088 folio 73 pg 3

and in 1841 there's this family
Pentreclwyda HO107/1421/10 folio 7 pg 7
Margaret Harris 45 ind
Joseph 20 collier
Harmit (transcribed as Harriet but age in male in column) 17 boatman
Enoch 15
Ann 10
John 10
Margaret 9
David 5
all born in county
 

[osprey]

oops - left out boatman after Enoch in 1841 entry and the 1851 entry
Pentreclwyda HO107/2463 folio 385 pg 13
Margaret Harrison head widow 56 formerly labourer's wife
Enack son  u 26 canal lab
John son u 20 canal lab
Margaret dau u 18 general servant
David son u 16 canal lab
all born Cadoxton

1861 Pentreclwyda Row RG9/4088 folio 73 pg 3
John Harrison head collier 30 b. Neath middle
Sarah wife 31 b. Llangwid(?)
Ann dau 9 b. Aberdare
Margaret dau 6 b. Neath middle
Clodea dau 4 b. Neath middle
Janet dau 2 b. Neath middle

the only Hermit/Harmit I can see so far is the one in 1841.   

[Arranroots]

Well done - you have been busy while I was asleep!

It sounds as though obtaining the marriage cert would still be a good idea - where did the marriage take place, Osprey?

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