Sutherland family Caithness 1841 & 1851 census lookup plse

[JenClark]

Hi Ostler,

Just spotted this post too...I really should look around more!

The Charlotte Gunn (cousin) in 1861 is as follows in the 1851 and 1841 census returns:

Piece: SCT1851/38 Place: Latheron -Caithness Enumeration District: 19
Civil Parish: Latheron Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Berriedale
Folio: 0 Page: 9 Schedule: 33
Address: Borgy

SUTHERLAND Donald Head M M 37 Fisherman & Farmer 3 Acres Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND Janet Wife M F 36 - Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND Donald Son - M 9 Scholar Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND John Son - M 7 Scholar Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND Charles Son - M 5 - Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND Margaret Dau - F 3 - Caithness - Latheron
SUTHERLAND Robert Son - M 1 - Caithness - Latheron
GUNN Charlotte Ma-Law U F 60 Pauper (House Servant) Caithness - Latheron

and 1841 census:

Piece: SCT1841/38 Place: Latheron -Caithness Enumeration District: 13
Civil Parish: Latheron Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Berriedale
Folio: 0 Page: 9
Address: Lower Borgue

GUNN Charlotte F 50 Crofter Caithness
SUTHERLAND Donald M 25 Shoemaker Caithness
ARMSTRONG Janet F 25 Caithness

I looked up her death too, it is:

Charlotte Gunn 84yrs d. 15 Apr 1864 Borguie, Berriedale Fa: Robert Gunn (dec) Mo: Betty Grant (dec) Old Age Inf: Donald Sutherland (son-in-law) present.

There were no more deaths of a Charlotte Gunn until 1899. So I am pretty sure this is her. It means that she never married, but had an illegitimate daughter Janet to a fellow called Armstrong.

I haven't figured out where she fits in yet with John Sutherland and Catherine Gunn (Janet's parents) but I am sure that she will slot into place eventually. I "assume" that her father Robert Gunn is Catherine Gunn's brother or uncle, I have seen stranger relationships on the census returns.

Hope this helps

Jenny

[ostler]

GUNN Charlotte F 50 Crofter Caithness
SUTHERLAND Donald M 25 Shoemaker Caithness
ARMSTRONG Janet F 25 Caithness

There were no more deaths of a Charlotte Gunn until 1899. So I am pretty sure this is her. It means that she never married, but had an illegitimate daughter Janet to a fellow called Armstrong.

You sure that Janet Armstrong isn't just Donald Sutherland's wife, but for some reason with her maiden name written down? Or maybe Donald and Janet weren't married at this point, as they don't seem to have any children yet. Food for thought.

[JenClark]

That is exactly what I think, I think they weren't married yet, but eventually got married as per the later census. The Donald Sutherland in question is the son-in-law mentioned on Charlotte Gunn's death certificate, so he did marry her daughter Janet. I suppose whe may have been married first to a Mr Armstrong and then widowed?? But her mother Charlotte is always down as unmarried in all her census returns and on her death, so I suspect that Janet was an illigitimate child.

Anyway not sure where she fits in yet anyway, so might not be very relevant 

Jenny

[maidmarianoops]

1841
BELL Sutherland  1781  Caithness Latheron     
 Christina Sutherland  SAYS COULD BE GUNN  1811  Caithness     
 Donald Sutherland  1811  Scotland

1841
Christina Sutherland
25 
Est 1816
 
 Caithness 
 Halkirk 
 Caithness 
 Spittal 
Parish Number 37 
Tianah Gow 14 
Christina Sutherland 25 
Mary Sutherland 3 
Robert Sutherland 30 
William Sutherland 1 
1841
Christina Sutherland
 3 
Est 1838
 Caithness

 Christina Sutherland 3 
Donald Sutherland 45 
Helen Sutherland 40 
Henrietta Sutherland 15 
Janet Sutherland 15 
Kenneth Sutherland 12 
Mary Sutherland 8 
William Sutherland 1

  1851

Christina Sutherland
66 
Est 1785 
 Aunt 
 Halkirk Caithness 
  Alexander Gunn 38 
Betty Gunn 38 
Catherine Gunn 3 
Margaret Gunn 1 
Christina Sutherland 66 

sylvia

[maidmarianoops]

First of all there is a Sutherlands  public family tree on ancestry under the name of blacksabbeth
if you are not this person then i will get details for you

surnames
gunn
elliot
NEIL SUTHERLAND  JANET BAIN
================================

Janet Sutherland
 F John Sutherland  M  Catherine Gunn
 
Berriedale Latheron Caithness   
D  17 Nov 1900
Achnacraig Berriedale Latheron Caithness


SYLVIA

[ostler]

Ummm yeah that's me.

[Kiwicol]

Hi can any one tell me if these tie in to your area of research?
The 1841 census has William, a farmer, with Ann and  their five sons all at Balnabruich, with a Hellen SUTHERLAND aged 20 a female servant. The next two places enumerated also have SUTHERLANDs.
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This note was on Rootsweb, but where is Ann in 1861?
Ann Gordon and William Sutherland married in 1829 in Latheron, Caithness.
At that time Ann was living at Corriechoich, just north of Kildonan at the foot of Maiden Pap. After her marriage she and William lived at Balnabruich, Dunbeath, Caithness and there had eight sons. She went out to New Zealand in 1862 after the death of her husband taking her younger sons
with her. The elder sons had already gone to New Zealand.

[JenClark]

Hi Kiwicol, not one of mine unfortunately...Sutherland's are pretty common up there 

Good luck with the search

Jenny

[ostler]

Not mine either, that I'm aware of, sorry!

Hi Jen!