BAILEY family, Ecclesfield - census lookups please

[Ruskie]

I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to assist with census lookups for the following family. In 1871 they are as follows:

RG10/4657/12/17
Brackin Hill Ecclesfield

William Hill head age 34 moulder
Hannah wife age 34
Matthew son age 9 scholar
Harriet dau age 7 scholar
William son age 1

I have them in 1881, with the surname spelled Baily. The family is living in Thorncliffe Row, Ecclesfield. Daughter Harriet married in 1880 (I have all her details after this time).

If possible, I would like to find the family in the '61 census.

I have not yet searched for the marriage of William and Hannah (surname unknown) but I was wondering if they had any other children before Matthew, so I can try to narrow down the dates to look for their marriage.

If anyone can find them on the '91 census too, or anywhere else, I would be most grateful.

Thanks so much.

[Tati]

Hi engirusaus,

1861
RG9/3457 110 15
Ecclesfield
Brackenhill
William Bailey, head, 24, Iron Moulder, b. Ecclesfield
Hannah, wife, 24, b. do.

Tanja 

PS I thi nk I can see him in 1851 with his family. HO107/2335 188 19. Give me ashout if you want the details.

[Tati]

Is this him 

1891
RG12/3788 12 17
Ecclesfield Chapeltown
Bracken Hill
William Bailey, head, 61, Stone Mason
Ellen, wife, 54
Fred, son, s, 17, Iron pipe moulder apprentice

All born Ecclesfield

[Ruskie]

Hi Tati,

Thanks a lot for the info.

Yes please, I would love William Bailey's details from the 1851 census if it's not too much trouble. The more info the better.

The 1891 family I don't think is mine. I found this family on another census (probably the '81). I reckon they are related though, because they both lived at Bracken Hill on the 71 census, and looks like son Fred is also in the iron moulding trade. Perhaps they were cousins?

Thanks, you've been a great help.

[Tati]

1851
HO107/2335 188 19
Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Brackin Hill
William Bailey, head, 52, Stone mason
Harriet, wife, 54
Mary Ann, dau, 24, House servant
William, son, 14, Moulder in Cast Iron Factory
Olive, granddau, 7
Birtha Ann, granddau, 3, b. Bradfield 

All but Birtha born Ecclesfield

[Ruskie]

Wonderful, thanks so much Tati ... the plot thickens!

Now I see where the stone mason profession comes in. And some confusing granddaughters!

Would you also have them in the 41 census by any chance? That would be wonderful.

I found what I thought might be the marriage of William Bailey and Hannah(?). Then I proceeded to go on and find four more possiblities    . All good fun!

Thanks so much for all your help. I really appreciate it.

[Tati]

1841
HO107/1327/6 58 33
Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Bracken Hill
Willm Bailey, 40, Mason
Harriet, 40
Ann, 20
Josh, 10
Hannah?, 7
William, 4

All born in county

If there are several possible marriages for William to Hannah, then the safest way would be to order Harriet's (I take it she's your direct line) birth cert if finances allow.

Tanja 

[Ruskie]

Thanks once again Tati.

My line is through William the iron moulder (b 1837) and Hannah's (b 1837) daughter Harriet, aged 7 on the 1871 census.

I don't know Hannah's surname, so can't order her birth certificate.

The census information you have so kindly given me is for William's family. He's the four year old in the 1841 census.

I might pick your brains regarding the most likely marriage, if you don't mind.
I found these on freeBMD - perhaps there are even more. All these are a William Bailey with a Hannah:

Dec 1860 Rotherham 9c 675
(I think this was the only marriage with only one choice of wife)

June 1860 Sheffield 9c 449

June 1861 Sheffield 403

Dec 1859 Halifax 9a 561

Dec 1855 Sheffield 9c 393

Considering they lived in Ecclesfield/ Brackin Hill which do you think would be the most likely marriage? I'm least convinced about the 1855 one - think it's too early. All these areas seem to encorporate Ecclesfield.

Many thanks, and any thoughts about this are most welcome.

[Tati]

I'm afraid I haven't got any local knowledge (I'm from France  ).

As far as I am aware, an Ecclesfield marriage would have been registered in Wortley 

I guess you have the marriages from FreeBMD. FreeBMD is not complete therefore there may be other matching marriages? Looking at the coverage charts, I see that for 1860, only the second quarter is complete.

What I wanted to say earlier is that if you order Harriet's birth cert (Dec 1863 Wortley 9c 193), it will tell you Hannah's maiden name.

Tanja 

oops - just realising you said he was called William HILL Bailey. Have you found any marriage under that name?