Arnold

[bozzwell]

Does anyone know who the wife of John Arnod was?
John was born 3/4/1803 in Bosham, Sussex, and he got married in 1835 to Elizabeth (ms unknown) They got married on East Witney, Sussex.
Regards
Betty

[suey]

Is this the coiple you are looking for Betty?  From the Sussex
Marriage Index

John ARNOLD married an Elizabeth QUELL at East Wittering on the 7th November 1835
Exra info - both of this parish, married by Banns

[bozzwell]

I think this is the couple I'm looking for Suey, thanks.

I can't find a DOB for Elizabeth Quell. It's quite an unusual name. Plenty "Quells" from other countries, especially Germany.

Betty

[bozzwell]

Hi Suey,

I was sorting out my files on the "Arnold" branch of my tree and  came across the children of  John Arnold (born 1803) and his wife Eliza.

I realised that they couldn't be the same John Arnold and Eliza Quell who married in 1835 in East Wittering after all.

My John and Eliza's  children are as follows -----

1. George, born 1820
2. William, born 1823
3. Henry, born1825
4. James, born 1827
5. Frederick, born 1829 ( my G G Grandfather )
6. Eliza, born1832
7. Amos, born 1835
8. Caroline, born 1837
9. Esther, born 1840

All that information I got from the IGI on The Family Search Site.

I then checked on ancestry.com on the 1841 census, and (just to confuse me) I found John Arnold, born 1796 and his wife Eliza,  born 1801. Their children were -----

1. James, born abt. 1827
2. Amos, born abt.1835
3. Caroline, born abt 1838 ( 1 year different to the IGI)
4. Esther, born abt. 1840

I suppose the older siblings were married or working away from home!

I then checked the 1851 census.
Eliza (Mother) was aged 51 years and a widow. She was classed as a "Pauper".

Amos was 16 years old and working. ( I couldn't make out what his job was )
Caroline was aged 13 years, and Esther was aged 10 Years. Both of them were " professional scholars at home"

I'm confused. Although the  year of birth for John (father) was 7 years difference, are they all the same family? Even if they are, I still haven't discovered Eliza's maiden surname!

What do you make of it Suey? I would be interested in you opinion.

Regards

Betty

[suey]

Hello Betty - I'm confused too   

Where is East Witney and how do you know John and Eliza were married there in 1835?

I took it that as you said John was born in Bosham that the Witterings marriage in 1835 was the best match. What makes you think John was born in Bosham?  I see there are a great many John Arnold's in and around that area of West Sussex.

However looking up your Frederick born 1829 with the family in 1841 I see they are in Frant in East Sussex.

HO107/1117/7  Folio 25  page 2
Diamonds - Frant
Eliza Arnold  9  Y
John Arnold 45 Ag Lab  Y
Eliza  40  Y
James 14 Y
Frederick 11  Y
Amos 6  Y
Caroline 3  Y
Esther 11 months  Y


The family you found in 1851 are the same family as 1841 still in Frant and claiming to have been born there!

I cannot find a marriage on the SMI for a John Arnold to an Eliza/Elizabeth in or around Frant.

Ages on the 1841 from age 15 should have been 'rounded down' so someone of say age 24 would show as 20.

Suey

[sillgen]

Hi
You need to remember that all ages above 15 on the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest 5 as Suey said so that might explain the age difference.  Also many people did not know their exact age.  The wife's name will be fairly easy to find if you are prepared to buy a birth certificate for one of the kids born after 1837 as it will be on there.  As you have access to ancestry check the full birth index on there and find one of them.  Esther should be easier to find.  Where was Eliza born on the 1851?   That might help as she may well have married there.    Good hunting.
Andrea

[Little Nell]

Hi Betty

John was born 3/4/1803 in Bosham, Sussex

And can I ask where that piece of information came from?

The FamilySearch site should be used as a guide only - it is a transcription which is open to human error.  Nor is it complete so if you don't find someone on there, that doesn't mean to say that the closest match has to be your family.  There may be one you haven't found yet.  Also any member submitted entries should be treated with the utmost caution.  You should verify the information if at all possible with the original register.

Presumably you know that Frederick's father was definitely John from the marriage certificate?

Where does Frederick say he was born on the census? 

Nell

[bozzwell]

Hi  Nell, Andrea and Suey,

Thanks for information.
East Witney is in Sussex.The info on John Arnold being married to Eliza came from Familysearchorg. I then got in touch with the records office in West Sussex who told me that the only possible marriage listed in the Sussex Marriage Index (which covered the period up to 1837) was a marriage between a John Arnold and an Eliza Quell in East Wittering in 1835. It all seemed to fit.
I'll do a bit more on this probably tomorrow.
Thankyou all for you help and advice. I appreciate it.

Regards

Betty

It would appear that I've accepted a lot of information from the Mormon Site as correct.
I think I'll have to be more thorough in my research.

[suey]

Betty, it might be helpfull if you tell us what you do know as absolute fact.

I had a good look at the family last night, if Frederick born c1829 is your 2 x great grandfather the only one I could find was the one from Frant.

In 1851 he is a lodger in Tonbridge Wells with a wife Susan and son Frederick, he states born Frant.  Does this fit with what you know for certain about him?

If you know his wife was Susan you need the marriage cert to confirm Fredericks father or a birth certificate for one of his siblings born after 1837.

There is no marriage for a John to an Elizabeth in Frant or thereabouts.

Pardon me but I still cannot place East Witney?

Suey