Descendants of Charles Gideon WINTER?

[tropicalj]

Hello there

"hi there  I have made a mistake  here  TIMOTHY WINTER died 1895 in narbeth  "

this chaps  details have him born in 1848 so I feel sure it is him  still cannot find the alledged marriage


on the 1851 census there was two daughters with a smiliar name
ELIZA WINTER  aged 5
ELIZABETH WINTER aged 10  i think this ones middle name was rogers from the bdm


on the 1861 census eliza is 15  with the brother william

regards jenn

[fyremoon]

Hmm, that's interesting... the information I've been given by 'Arranroots' on the Somerset board, from the 1851 census, is that Elizabeth was 15, not 10.  I recall reading something about the ages in earlier censuses being rounded up or down to the nearest 5 with adults... not sure about at what age roughly that starts... I wonder if this would account for the discrepancy?  If she was only born in 1841, it might explain why she wasn't on the census then!  Not having seen the original scan of the 1851 record, I can't make up my own mind whether she's 10 or 15. 


Leigh

[sparrett]

Hi All
I have searched most available cemetery info for Charles and Ada to no avail
However, here is some info re. John Alex. and Noel Stephen
John A Winter married Mabel P Carse in 1923 in Perth
Noel S. married Vera B Hennon in 1926 in Perth
John Alexander died 15/7/1986 and was cremated at Karrakata.  He was from Subiaco
Wife Mabel died 1980. Is also cremated Karrakata. She was 80 yrs,
Noel Stephen died 1970 aged 73. He is at Fremantle Also there is Vera who died 1978. She was living at Como.

On my search I noted the following burial Winter William Sextus DALY from Belmont
Winter Robert Molaja Warner DALY from Rossmoyne.
Hope this is of interest.
Sue

[tropicalj]

Hmm, that's interesting... the information I've been given by 'Arranroots' on the Somerset board, from the 1851 census, is that Elizabeth was 15, not 10.  I recall reading something about the ages in earlier censuses being rounded up or down to the nearest 5 with adults... not sure about at what age roughly that starts... I wonder if this would account for the discrepancy?  If she was only born in 1841, it might explain why she wasn't on the census then!  Not having seen the original scan of the 1851 record, I can't make up my own mind whether she's 10 or 15. 


Leigh

hello there Leigh

i must admit  i have not seen that about rounding ages down or up  it would not make sense at all you would think?

regards jenn

[fyremoon]

Here's something I quickly found about rounding ages (down it says here), this is from scotland and about 1841 census:

(Bear in mind that enumerators in 1841 were instructed to round down all given ages of 15 and above to the nearest five (e.g. 28 should have been recorded as 25), If a person were lying about their age this, combined with the rounding down, can severely distort the actual age and send you off on a wild goose chase! Conversely, you may find that the rounding down instruction was not always strictly adhered to). http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?1260

but by 1851, they recorded the exact age:

"Each individual's exact age was also recorded (to the nearest year) rather than rounding adult ages down to the nearest five years" http://www.answers.com/topic/united-kingdom-census-1851

L

[tropicalj]

hello there L

very interesting  glad to see it was changed for the 1851 onwards what confusion

regards jenn

[fyremoon]

Hi All
I have searched most available cemetery info for Charles and Ada to no avail
However, here is some info re. John Alex. and Noel Stephen
John A Winter married Mabel P Carse in 1923 in Perth
Noel S. married Vera B Hennon in 1926 in Perth
John Alexander died 15/7/1986 and was cremated at Karrakata.  He was from Subiaco
Wife Mabel died 1980. Is also cremated Karrakata. She was 80 yrs,
Noel Stephen died 1970 aged 73. He is at Fremantle Also there is Vera who died 1978. She was living at Como.

On my search I noted the following burial Winter William Sextus DALY from Belmont
Winter Robert Molaja Warner DALY from Rossmoyne.
Hope this is of interest.
Sue

Hi Sue, thanks for doing all that searching!!  That's very interesting information about Noel and John, perhaps I can find some of their descendants!  Although many of my questions seem to be getting answered right here on Rootschat which is wonderful, it might be nice to contact some distant relos

Leigh

[sparrett]

Re the rounding  down.
Yes, it is true that 1941 in Eng, was taken down to the nearest 5 years for adults
Meaning if you were 34 you became 30
For children however it was precise[ in months too if under 1 year ]
In your case you should note it applied to people over 15
Look here
http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/census_2.htm
Sue

[fyremoon]

Thanks Sue, that's a much more concise informative site.  As for Elizabeth... well if she was under 15, it would've stated her exact age and not rounded down to 10, so if it says 10, we can be sure it's 10.  If she was over 15, it would've said 15, not 10.  So thank you, that clarifies it

L